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Finding a Path for Upstate New York

by: simonstl

Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 13:41:44 PM EDT


Upstate New York is trapped by its past and offers a glimpse of the rest of the country's future.

Its past was one of wealth and innovation, providing a place where the ideas and commerce of New York City melded with that of the rest of the country. Canals and railroads brought people, goods, and ideas through it and to it. The "Empire State" was more than just the city that shares its name, a much larger place that grew wealthy in prosperous times and developed its own sense of place.

That glorious past came to an end after World War II. At least symbolically, Upstate's decline can be marked from the opening of the St.Lawrence Seaway. What had been a vibrant transportation corridor since the Erie Canal's opening in 1825 began a slow drift into a world of uncertainty. The Port of New York's steady decline, the rapid growth of road networks, and the shift of manufacturing toward ever-cheaper places took away Upstate's powerful position as a good place to start or run a business.

The place most obviously damaged by these shifts in transportation was Buffalo, the city where the grain elevator was invented to ease the transfer of grain between the Great Lakes and the Erie Canal. Its decline as a transfer point reduced its advantages dramatically, though Niagara Falls still provides hydropower. It's not just Buffalo or even the "Thruway cities" (formerly "canal cities") - Hornell's Erie Railroad repair shops shut down, as did shops across the state. Manufacturing now had less reason to be here, as new transportation corridors opened all over the county. New York agriculture found it harder to compete against California produce, which could break the seasonal cycle thanks to cheap transportation.

As hard as current New York residents may find it to believe, an intricate web of business relationships used to connect Upstate and Downstate tightly together. The New York Central might have been most famous for Grand Central Station, but its core routes roughly followed the old Erie Canal route before shifting south of the Great Lakes. Goods flowed to and from the Port of New York, and to and from the incredibly diversified manufacturing that flourished in New York City. As both of those keys to New York City's importance declined, the value of placing businesses along those routes declined too. New York City doesn't have any intrinsic need to get much - except for its water supply - from Upstate. (Connections to the midwest simultaneously declined in importance, as did the old ties to Pennsylvania coal transport.)

simonstl :: Finding a Path for Upstate New York

New York City itself recovered by shifting to an economy based on less tangible goods, like finance, publishing, and media, but those industries don't have the same kinds of spillover effects on the surrounding area that a port and manufacturing center could claim. While Upstate still benefits from the taxes that pour out of New York City's financial district, and from the students that come from downstate to Upstate's many colleges and universities, the ties are much looser than they used to be.

Upstate's peaking in the 1950s meant that it had already accumulated so many of the things that were considered good then and "Rust Belt" later. Unions (fewer than New York City, but enough), lots of heavy manufacturing, high expectations for municipal services, a tolerance for regulation (less than downstate, but more than many places), and a sense of stability that made it hard to imagine and respond to substantial downward change.

We still have a hard time imagining and responding to our diminished place in the world, and the last ten years, in which New York City accelerated while the Upstate economy seemed to settle into permanent stagnation, led to a lot of people thinking that Upstate somehow needs to become North Carolina. Somehow, if we can just make our government as small as their government, all the businesses that left for the South will come back.

We seem to forget, however, that the businesses that headed south have often kept moving. "Right to Work" states seemed less exciting when the bold new vistas of Mexico and China opened up. They offer cheaper wages, less regulation, and transportation costs that don't demolish the profits created by making products cheaply and selling them into a market used to paying dearly.

Upstate New York may well be a few decades ahead of the rest of America, facing challenges today that the rest of the country is only starting to notice. Finding new ways for Upstate to thrive means - I think - that we can't simply try to be what the rest of America is. We've been there, watching the collapse of the advantages we used to enjoy because of our location and our infrastructure.

I don't have a simple answer for the path ahead. I have a few suggestions to get started, though:

  • We need to look carefully at the natural advantages we have - notably water and decent soil - and figure out how they can help us over the long term.

  • We need to consider what "the long term" will bring. I don't, for example, believe that cheap energy will last forever. How long it will last is an open question, one we should look at closely. Upstate New York is a rare place that could actually benefit from higher energy prices worldwide, because that would restore much of our geographic advantage as a transportation corridor.

  • We have to stop thinking that Albany is the right place to fix Upstate's problems. It's a key place to negotiate our relationship with the rest of the state, but we lack the power and the credibility to make demands of Albany, expecting the rest of the state to listen.

  • We need to evaluate our relationship with New York City, and figure out how that huge metropolis is helping or hurting us west and north of the Hudson Valley. What used to be a mutually benefical relationship seems to have diminished into a story that is much more mixed. Recognizing the good while identifying the bad should make it easier to start a conversation about the future.

  • We need to look around our cities, villages, towns, and counties to see what local systems we have that we can build upon. There may be new opportunities in rearranging things - consolidating in some cases, but empowering smaller or different areas in others.

  • We need to find a way out of the liberal-conservative battle that takes up so much political energy. It's not that the issues aren't important - they are. It's not that we shouldn't look outward and help others far away - we should. The problem is that the battles make it very hard to build coalitions willing to work together on regional issues that won't fall apart every time there's a national (or even a state) election. Politics will (and should) continue - we just need to find ways to focus them more on what's happening here. (I also suspect that the meaning of liberal and conservative will shift as we look at more local issues, but that's a more complicated philosophical conversation...)

  • We need to look outside of New York State to see what's happening in other places suffering from similar problems. The Northeast and Midwest have lots of places which are suffering from related difficulties, and we need to look beyond the boundaries of the Empire State.

None of those suggestions come with an easy answer to the obvious question of "how do we do that?" I don't see a lot of it happening yet, except in the percolating thoughts of a few bloggers and some offline conversations. For a start, though, I'd like to get these ideas out, and hope the seeds germinate. Maybe eventually there will be an Upstate Focus political party, unaligned with the traditional parties. Maybe we'll see a magazine, or an Upstate-focused think tank. It's hard to know right now what path is best - but it's time to start looking through the brambles for a clearer path forward.

(Cross-posted from Living in Dryden.)

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Thanks -- Lots to think about here (4.00 / 3)
I really appreciate your taking the time and effort to set all this out. I would add the following to your list of possible starting places: the 2-party system. If we had a functioning 2-party system upstate, politicians would actually have to address our issues and offer solutions. As it stands, vast swaths of upstate (I'm thinking of rural regions like my own) are Republican monopolies, where those who are elected get the chance at office only because they have been and promise to continue to be good party soldiers. That is their sole qualification. Is it any wonder that the result is stagnation? Is it any wonder that Albany couldn't care less about us? (If our votes can be written off by one party and taken for granted by the other, why should anyone care what we think or need?) So I don't see an upstate party as the way to go. I think all of us need to do the hard work of making the 2-party system functional in our own backyards. I think we would see some real improvements. I don't think politics/government are the solution to all our problems, but at this point, they aren't even on the table.

two parties better than one (4.00 / 2)
I suspect my second-to-last bullet may have left some room for confusion.  The classic one-party model of much of Upstate NY is definitely sterile.  There's not much room for people's voices to be heard above the people who've always been in charge.

At the same time, though, New York's two-party system is broken at the state level.  Both parties, alas, are thoroughly complicit in the Albany mess, with Democrats enjoying their control of the Assembly the same way that the Republicans enjoy running the Senate.  It's lousy in both cases, and each side lets the other do its own redistricting.  Neither party can honestly claim the 'reform' mantle in my accounting.

I'd consider a third party for upstate issues viable if and only if it could be a corrective to the current 2-party mess, rather than an enabler or polarizer for one or the other parties.  I don't see an easy way to get there.

So, yes, please, of course revive your local politics. Perhaps someday state politics will revive enough to complement them!


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I agree (4.00 / 2)
BOTH parties are responsible for the dysfunctional state of the state. I guess my point is that neither could get away with it if there weren't entire regions of the state they never have to pay attention to because they are either out of reach or locked in as support.

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Food for Thought (4.00 / 2)
I think the most solid Republican New York areas (and I live in one) will back a Democratic candidate that's outstanding.  Relationships, built over decades or even a lifetime, are most important to voters here.

As for the City-Upstate connection, it's amazing to think there ever was one.  I can't think of a place more distant in energy and way of life than "the City."  To me, it's on another planet. (I'm not a sports fan, but people here back the Red Sox, not the Yankees).  When I have to go to a big city, I try to make it Montreal or Boston--which are also closer geographically.  I was lost in the New York City subway system earlier this year, and it was definitely more frightening than the time I got lost in the woods.


excellent diary (4.00 / 3)
thanks for posting it here. the thing that just baffles me is that, given both the decline of the upstate economy and the fact that republicans have been representing these areas forever, why does anyone buy the standard republican "re-elect us. we're looking out for you." shuck and jive time and time again? republicans have owned upstate for over a century. they are constantly going on about "reviving" the upstate economy. the economy never gets "revived" though plenty of schemes such as the empire zones get created to through more and more public money at wealthy corporate interests while the region continues its economic decline. then every two years the same useless goons make the case to upstate voters that they should be re-elected because they are the only ones standing between upstate and the oblivion that they promise will happen if dems were to get that seat.

i just don't get it.

TODAY is day one. It always is.


They've succeeded very well at (4.00 / 1)
arguing that the problems aren't inherent in Upstate's position, but rather in the liberal politics (taxes! regulation!) coming from Downstate. 

The broken state of NY politics lower expectations enough that this frequently seems to work - a lot of people believe it.

(There is a good case to be made, though, that being part of New York State makes it harder for Upstate to respond to its newfound circumstances.  The breaking of those bonds with Downstate also seems - to me - to have reduced Downstate's interest in Upstate.)


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secesh talk (4.00 / 2)
Just thought I'd pass along this editorial from the managing editor of the Niagara Gazette.  (I'm not familiar with this paper's politics though - GOP? Dem? in between?)

http://www.niagara-g...


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I'm not that far yet... (4.00 / 1)
because it's not yet clear to me if the old natural bonds that used to hold the state together are gone permanently, or just temporarily.

If I was convinced they had perished forever, I'd be more likely to lean toward secession.  The article mostly just sounds frustrated.


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I am of your mind (4.00 / 2)
on that.  However, I think it is worth monitoring other people's utterances on the subject.  Uttering has a way of leading to muttering, and muttering has a way of leading to murmuring, and...

However, two things - (1) I'm pretty sure it's legally not possible, and (2) secessions generally never work unless the seceded-from party does not contest, and it seems to me that the seceder has to have something that the rest of the world might need.


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there is West Virginia (0.00 / 0)
but I don't think that would have happened without the Civil War, and we could do without that.

I'm leaning more and more toward figuring out what Upstate means and what we can do for ourselves before getting into the bigger question of how that relates to territorial lines with downstate.

I kind of see Spitzer's splitting of the Empire State Development Corporation into Upstate and Downstate to be a good thing, but the ESDC is such a mess anyway....

There's lots to figure out before we fly an Upstate flag.


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Upstate divorced from reality (4.00 / 3)
I know what I'm talking about when it comes to one-party rule, as I spent all of last year running for Assembly in a crimson-red district (and getting run over in the process). What shocked me was how many people insisted to me that upstate would be fine if we didn't have to pay for all those welfare-types downstate. Any rebuttal by me that downstate taxes were keeping us afloat was met not just by denial, but by sheer disbelief. Republicans have, indeed, convinced upstaters that all their problems come from downstate.

that story's been told in upstate (0.00 / 0)
probably as long as the state's existed.  It's well-drilled into people's minds, and rebutting it will take years, maybe decades, of frustratingly patient conversation.  It's part of the geography here.

Growing up, the joke was that Upstate paid for welfare while Downstate subsidized our dairy cows, but the balance of payments was never clear, and it's pretty obvious that we have nothing comparable to Wall Street's tax revenue.


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your perspective (4.00 / 1)
seems pretty valuable, because you're in a part of upstate which is probably the most extreme in the one-party rule (on the GOP side) and we all too often have downstate and upstate-city-metro views that don't see what you see. 

However, I also think some NYC politics is just like your area's, except in reverse, with the one-party machine rule.

I honestly haven't heard "welfare queens" talk in CNY for eons - I dimly remember it as a kid but let's face it, with upstate's aging population we're all on welfare and I'm surprised GOP politicians anywhere can still make hay with that.  But that's a common puzzlement across the entire U.S. where more conservative GOP elements hold sway - they have managed to divide and conquer.

To me, the problem is the fundamental disconnect between upstate and downstate and that all the wealth downstate is holding us up, perhaps, but is not *solving* anything for upstate.  If this is an Empire State and NYC is the Eternal City, this Rome is just not administering its provinces very well.  Of course, the problem is not downstate but Albany; how does upstate NY disconnect itself from Albany?

My feeling is that without NYC you would see upstate continue to struggle, obviously, but there would be a fighting chance for it to discover some internal political vitality.  That's what's missing.  Without NYC, upstate Democrats would have to form a real party with real responses to real issues, not just sucking at Albany's teat and making nice with Sheldon Silver and other downstate power brokers.  That's the big prize inherent in a a theoretical splitting: energized internal upstate politics. 

Perhaps there are only two choices available: an upstate that is poor and politically dead, or an upstate that is poor and politically conscious and alive.  If one had a gun to one's head, which alternative would one choose?


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