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Liz Gets It: Krueger Calls Out Bruno's Bogus Gas Tax "Holiday"

by: phillip anderson

Wed May 07, 2008 at 16:31:28 PM EDT


Joe Bruno and his gang in the Senate rarely meet a dumb idea that they fail to embrace. The concept of a useless and potentially harmful gas tax "holiday" was apparently too dumb and too ridiculously gimmicky for them to ignore. Liz Krueger knows better and calls out this foolishness in an emailed press release:

Senator Krueger Speaks Out Against Gas Tax Bill
Says Gas Tax "Holiday" is a Vacation from Real Solutions

Senator Krueger today criticized Senate Republicans for passing S.7594-B which would create a gas tax "holiday" from Memorial Day to Labor Day.  "I voted against this legislation because it is bad fiscal and environmental policy that will only result in windfall profits for oil companies and no real relief for consumers," said Senator Liz Krueger (D-Manhattan).

"My colleagues and I understand New Yorkers have been hit hard by rising fuel costs," said Senator Krueger.  "However, we must not act foolishly by passing this gimmicky measure.  We need to adopt policies that will create long-term solutions to the growing energy crisis facing our state and decrease our dependence on foreign oil."

S.7594-B, introduced by Senator Andrew Lanza (R-Staten Island), would exempt gasoline and diesel from the State's excise tax, Sales Tax, and Petroleum Business Tax, from May 23, 2008 to September 2, 2008.  These taxes are currently used to provide funds for highways, roads, bridges, and mass transit.  By suspending the taxes the Senate Republicans will create an estimated $600 million budget gap for these necessary services.

"This bill is obviously meant to prey on the desperate need for relief of New York's suffering drivers," said Senator Liz Krueger.  "In reality this bill will only worsen the economic crisis in New York, and at best result in little to none of the intended aid.  Increased demand will lead to higher prices and negate any positive effect the gas tax holiday was meant to have."

One of the biggest problems with S.7594-B is that it will not even ensure that the tax savings will be passed along to the consumer.  The gas tax suspension will happen at the distribution level and there is no way to guarantee that prices will reflect this suspension when the consumer goes to buy their gas from a local retailer.  Prices can be inflated at any point in the chain of fuel distribution, which goes from manufacturer, to supplier, to wholesaler, to distributor, and finally to the retail seller.

"There is currently no way to guarantee that the savings from a gas tax holiday will be passed on to the consumer," stated Senator Krueger.  "Can we really afford to rely on the good will of the oil industry?"

It's a terrible idea in so many ways, yet Senate Dems did offer a number of amendments to try dilute the dumb.

Initiating a middle income gas and diesel fuel tax rebate program, which will give a $100 tax rebate to all New Yorkers, who earn $75,000 or less, that live in and have a vehicle registered in New York.

Implementing a long-term solution to our dependence on foreign oil by increasing energy conservation and shifting New York to the use of renewable energy sources.

Instituting criminal penalties for price gouging and increasing fines of offenders to $25,000.

Reducing the gas consumption by the State's motor vehicle fleet through the creation of a State workforce fuel reduction and conservation program.

Creating a task force to monitor gas pricing systems across the State.

As just about anyone could have predicted, every single one of these amendments failed.

 

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Thank Goodness (0.00 / 0)
For Shelly and the Assembly!

I'm sure they'll hold hearings and actually discuss it... (0.00 / 0)
no, probably not.

But even bad ideas need public exposure as bad, and our current approach to the Assembly doesn't really offer that.


[ Parent ]
Forgive me... (0.00 / 0)
for being off-message, but I don't get the anti-Assembly sentiment here.

In the Assembly, if the sponsor of a bill requests its consideration, the committee must take it up for a vote. If the chair of the committee or a majority of the members of a committee want to hold a hearing, a hearing is held. It's been that way since the Dems took over the Assembly after Watergate. The Assembly lists its hearings on its website. I've checked it. There's a long list.

You are correct that not every crappy idea gets a hearing. I'm OK with that, but if you think differently, that's OK too. I just don't think it help the public discourse - or our cause -- to (intentionally or not)lump the Democratic Assembly in with the Republican Senate.

There's a reason we want the Senate to be Democratic.  Because Democrats run things much more fairly.

Just a thought.



[ Parent ]
Please take some time (4.00 / 2)
and study how the Assembly actually works.  It may be run by Democrats, but that doesn't mean that it runs any more fairly than the Senate.  It may have the trappings of a legislature, but it doesn't actually run like one.

It does hold hearings - on a tiny share of bills.

It holds public votes - either to ratify an agreement already made by the Three Men in a Room or to score political points on bills they know will never pass.

Its Democratic conference holds private votes on important matters pretty regularly - note, for example, the selection of Tom DiNapoli as Comptroller or the more recent congestion pricing.

It would be nice to say that the Assembly is better than the Senate because the Assembly is Democratic, and that the Senate causes all the problems - but that's simply not true.  The Assembly, and especially its leadership, is deeply complicit in our being stuck with a Republican Senate.

How?

It has enjoyed a non-aggression pact with the State Senate for the past three redistrictings, allowing each house to set its own districts without interference.  Ever wonder why the Assembly is so Democratic and the Senate stays Republican?

That's why.  And frankly, it's not a bad deal for Assembly members, who get to point fingers elsewhere all the time.  It's been a lousy deal for the state, though.

The Assembly may be Democratic, but it's not democratic.

If you want to shill for not democratic Democrats, that's up to you.

(And the Senate is neither Democratic nor democratic.)


[ Parent ]
I know folks on this blog (0.00 / 0)
have strong feelings, but given the interest here in the democratic process and the open exchange of ideas, I had hoped for a less hostile reaction to another point of view.

For what its worth, I'll plug away:

The selection of a state Comptroller is different from the consideration of a bill, but it's worth discussing. There's no committee process for that, but as I recall, there was a very public interview process. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was the members of the Assembly who asked most, if not all of the questions of the many candidates. A public vote took place in the Assembly chamber, with many legislators articulating why they felt their selection was the better choice. The result: Tom DiNapoli. An honest, smart, decent man who is serving this state well as Comptroller.

On the subject of congestion pricing, does anybody wonder why Mayor Bloomberg didn't support it when he had to stand before voters for election? Because THE PEOPLE oppose it.

As for hearings, the Assembly probably holds more hearings on subject areas of concern than on specific legislation, but even a cursory glance at the Assembly's website demonstrates that there is a mix. Sure, there are different legislative models regarding the use of public hearings, but it makes some sense to focus on figuring out what the problem is and what folks think the appropriate legislative response should be to that problem. Reasonable people can disagree, but I don't think the Assembly's approach is undemocratic. As I recall it, the numerous hearings held by the Assembly convinced many legislators to change their mind on the death penalty - and oppose it.

As for one-house bills that don't pass the Senate, I'm glad that the Assembly passed the gay marriage bill, even though they knew full well that it was a one-house bill. It was only a first step, but an important one.

And I appreciate the fact that the Assembly stood up against Pataki and the Republican agenda and never lets millionaires (or billionaires) push them around. And advocated for a temporary tax on those millionaires.  

And I do believe the Assembly is democratic and that the Senate is not.

And if you don't want to hear any more from me, I will go away quietly.

Just a thought.


[ Parent ]
please don't go! (0.00 / 0)
We really need a diversity of viewpoints here.  Please keep commenting-- even if others disagree.  People do tend to voice disagreement faster than agreement, unfortunately-- just human nature.  Not that I think there isn't room for improvement in how the Assembly operates, but, I agree, it is not as autocratic or undemocratic as the Senate (nor as democratic as it should and could be). Lumping can be dangerous, as it obscures important differences.

[ Parent ]
Thank you, Robinia (0.00 / 0)
Part of my discomfort here may be generational and stylistic; I suspect I may be older than many of the bloggers here and I am certainly less confrontational by nature. But I do hope there is room for me here nonetheless.

[ Parent ]
I want you to compare... (0.00 / 0)
Our state government with the federal government. The federal government has its flaws, but it is fairly open. THOMAS is the best thing going. You can search legislation, find the full text of that legislation, see the cosponsors, see ACTUAL vote tallies and so on.

Their committee meetings are also very prominent. You would rarely (if ever) see a state committee meeting that is the center of attention. But congressional committees receive plenty of media attention for their committee meetings and hearings.

New York has none of this. Project Sunlight can only be as open as the government is. Committee meetings are a rare treat and this "behind closed doors" decision making is what is tearing this state down. There is a reason why, as a country, we have a Constitution. It is the foundation of our democracy.

I am not anti-Assembly. I know a number of assemblymembers (on both sides) who are good men and women and who are effective legislators. The problem is the system they work in is not effective. That is because of one man: Shelly Silver.

He pulls the strings in the Assembly and Bruno is his counterpart in the Senate. They are both part of the problem, not the solution.  


[ Parent ]
Check out the Assembly website, please.... (0.00 / 0)
I've checked it out and you can look up a bill, get the sponsor, co-sponsor, bill status, bill memo (I think) and the floor vote.  You can search by bill number or key word. You can also look up any state law on their site.

You can also see that Assembly committee meetings are not a "rare treat' and do not occur behind closed doors. They occur regularly and notice is posted.

I will grant you that some meetings have more interesting discussions than others and I agree that they should get more attention. Right now, only joint budget committee hearings and Assembly and Senate floor proceedings are televised.

I'm not saying the Assembly is perfect, but it's almost like folks here are willfully rejecting the good.

Just a thought.

An afterthought that may send you over the edge: the website, televised sessions, etc all happened under the leadership of...(dramatic pause)...Shelly Silver.


[ Parent ]
I have checked it out... (0.00 / 0)
Many times over. I'm not saying you can't look up those materials, but there should be one universal system (like THOMAS) that the state uses to make these things more accessible. That was my whole argument. Open government equals better government.

What I meant by committee meetings being a "rare treat" is the lack of coverage of these meetings. Now, I know that you watch the floor proceedings online and they are televised, but why not record every committee meeting and post it on that committee's respective website? Again - more openness. I know they can televise every committee meeting, but why not put it online for people to watch?

I'm not trying to reject any of the good. Again, I know plenty of assemblymembers who do a terrific job. To me, the problem is bigger than Silver. Sure, he's part of it, but the bigger problem can be defined as the culture in Albany. It's not solely Silver's fault by any means. I don't think anyone is saying that. We have gone after Bruno here as well. But both men are part of the equation.  


[ Parent ]
Yes, almost... (0.00 / 0)
Great thought, Robert, but, I would change just a bit:
The problem is the system they work in is not effective. That is because of one man: Shelly Silver.

Is it really the person (Shelly), or is it a strong-leader system that puts one person (Shelly or whomever) in a position of so much power?  Given the power inherent in the position, I think Shelly has mostly behaved more honorably than might be the case for most (yeah, power corrupts, but, check out the kind of abuses that Bruno, Hevesi and Spitzer succumbed to...). Try it this way:

The problem is the system they work in is not effective. That is because of an outmoded strong-leader process.


[ Parent ]
Terrible policy (4.00 / 2)
There we have it-- pandering at its worst.  Like all "one house" bills, it is not necessary to consider very deeply the actual consequences of the bill's enactment into law, as it won't ever happen.  So, no need for the idea to make sense (or the amendments offered, either). It just matters that it appeals to the grandstand-- we want to "do something" about gas prices, eh?

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