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Cracks in HRC's NY Firewall?

by: Historical Pessimist

Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:36:14 PM EDT


(Uh oh. Sprung a leak... - promoted by phillip anderson)

The "favorite son," or, in this case, "favorite daughter," effect has operated in full force here in New York this presidential election cycle. The Democratic party establishment in the state has been a united front in support of Hillary Clinton's White House race, for the most part. However, Tuesday's results may have finally started to change that.
Historical Pessimist :: Cracks in HRC's NY Firewall?
According to http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/... Congresswoman Louise Slaughter of Rochester is wondering out loud and on the record why Clinton is continuing her campaign, now that her window for catching up to Barack Obama in pledged delegates seems all but closed.
Other Democrats say Clinton has no chance of winning. Representative Louise Slaughter of New York, a supporter, called the election results ``grim'' for the New York senator. ``If you look at all the math and what's out there, it's pretty unlikely'' she can win, said Slaughter.

Slaughter is a key Clinton supporter, not only as a powerful Congresswoman who is part of the House leadership as Rules Committee Chair, but also for who she is. Slaughter is a hard-working older woman (no criticism implied: I would kill to look as good as she does when I'm her age!) who embodies Clinton's key demographic. And when Slaughter speaks, we also tend to listen because she startles us with her different sound. Although she has been an upstate New Yorker for many years, Slaughter is originally a daughter of Appalachia, and her Kentucky accent reminds us of that every time we hear her speak. In many ways, Louise Slaughter is Senator Clinton's base.

Slaughter's gentle but firm assessment that the nomination race is over should send a message to Clinton, but it should also send a message to the rest of New York's Democratic establishment. All the party leaders and elected officials who reflexively endorsed Senator Clinton last year because she represents New York could send a very powerful and effective signal to Democrats all over the country that it's time to put the primary process behind us and unite to face our real opponent, John McCain. A third Bush term would be the worst possible outcome in November, so let's hope those who helped the Clinton bandwagon begin its journey on the Statehouse steps in Albany will now speak collectively again and say it's time to come home. They don't have to stage a photo op (or do it in public). But they should do it. This race is done.

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It's time for unity and healing (4.00 / 1)
The process has been long and grueling.  I read this interesting article from The London Free Press http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/Ne...
With this quote from Senator Schumer --

It's her decision to make and I'll accept what decision she makes," said Senator Chuck Schumer, a stalwart supporter.

Schumer didn't answer when asked about her chances of winning.

And from Senator Diane Feinstein --

And it was hardly comforting that close ally Senator Diane Feinstein of California said she needs to talk to Clinton to see "what the strategy is" for the rest of the campaign.

"I think the race is reaching a point now where there are negative dividends from it in terms of strife within the party," said Feinstein.

I hope that the Democratic Party leaders can convince her that this is over.  It's time to rally around the presumptive candidate, Barack Obama.


Agreed. (4.00 / 1)
And, seriously, we could use having her refocus on NY.  She has a great agriculture aide, and I am not seeing or hearing as much of him as I used to... not that he is working on the presidential campaign, but, she is just not setting up meetings among the ag community as much as before, etc.  And, you know, we've had some very traumatic experiences here in NY lately, what with the Hevesi scandal, the Spitzer scandal, the FBI investigation on Bruno.... we could use a leader who acted like the needs of others were more important than their own fantasies or ambitions or sense of entitlement.

She could try working some wonders as NYS Senator for eight years and then see what happens.  If she keeps at it past the point of possible gain, she might not have that option.


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and further agreed (0.00 / 0)
I've wondered for a while what kind of a Senator she might have been - and could be - for New York if it wasn't for her presidential ambitions.

The last eight years I've kept thinking she was still on the 'triangulation' path with the White House her goal and New York her stepping stone.

On the other hand, Schumer often seems to be on a similar path, and I don't see him running for President.  (In fact, I've sometimes remarked that I liked Clinton better than Schumer.)

And this is one of the best statements I've seen about New York State politics, and maybe politics in general, in a long time:

we could use a leader who acted like the needs of others were more important than their own fantasies or ambitions or sense of entitlement

Precisely!


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Agreed on almost all counts (0.00 / 0)
But don't assume Schumer doesn't want to run for president. Remember in 2005 the trial balloon he floated about running for governor? Lots of talk back then about how he and Spitzer would have to duke it out to see who would be the first Jewish president (how times change...).

By the way, have the rumors of HRC perhaps becoming governor resurfaced with this latest round of speculation about her post-campaign career? I haven't seen anything about it in over a month, but maybe I missed something.


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Heard some rumblings yesterday (0.00 / 0)
I had MSNBC on yesterday afternoon and can't remember which pundit brought it up (wasn't listening real closely -- had it on in the background) but I did hear it.  They were throwing around all sorts of conciliation prices -- NY governor, senate majority leader, VP, secretary of state. I even thought that I heard education secretary.  

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United we win (0.00 / 0)
I understand, intellectually, her need to stay in the race to let the last six states vote.  That said, the world (and the publicans) will be scrutinizing her every word to glean ammunition.  It's also disquieting to watch them try to change the rules during the game. There are accepted procedures in place to deal with Michigan and Florida.  Let the rules and credentials committees do their work - there's no need to use cable news outlets to sway the opinions of people who don't understand the process. Yes, the system could use improvement, but we must be fair to everyone.  
janed

"You want some?" (4.00 / 2)
   Senator Clinton will campaign until it looks like she's getting out on her terms because she has to show that she's still a force to be reckoned with, whether or not she really still believes she has a chance at the nomination.  Though there doesn't appear to be a real threat on the horizon, she can't leave the door open to New York Repubs (or some quixotic Dem, if there is one) with more ambition than brains.  Now, more than ever, it looks like she treated her Senate seat like a stepping stone, and that's going to be pointed out in her next fight.  Its more than likely that her next opponents won't be the punching bag and pinata she faced in the last two elections (Lazio and.....Lazio and....c'mon, you can do it...Lazio aaaannnnd.....?).  She's not framing the shot behind the President during the State of the Union either, because she knows she's not the darling of Senate incumbents, and less so after a losing nomination bid.  It would be a huge blow to her legacy if she lost the Senate Majority leadership, so she's not likely to risk it.

  As for the governorship, its not the lock her Senate seat was nor her presidential nomination started out to be.  She will come to terms with the fact that the Clinton legacy will be more about Bill than about her.  When that happens, she could become one of the most effective and historical American female leaders to this point.  Part of that will be determined by how sincerely she dedicates herself (and Bill) to electing Senator Obama as president.

  Don't judge other people by your own limitations.


Duh (0.00 / 0)
Sorry, that should have read "behind the President during the State of the Union as VP nor running for Senate Majority Leader because...".

  Don't judge other people by your own limitations.

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Billary (0.00 / 0)
She's been a major disappointment to me. I've gone from supporter to someone who hopes she moves back to Arkansas. I suppose that would be DC instead.

My message to Hillary: "Don't think you can come home and all will be forgiven."

She's a power-hungry mess.  


Gov. Paterson (0.00 / 0)
I've always wanted the Governor to flip (always meaning the couple of months he's been governor).  One look at David Paterson and you can see why the flip from being a Hillary superdelegate to an Obama super makes so much sense, and would likely get a lot of media attention.

That would be a really interesting development (0.00 / 0)
Esp. since Beltway types are suggesting she run for his job.

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