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Undeniable Spending

by: BingChester

Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 13:12:47 PM EDT


Sometimes debating a Libertarian can be frustrating.  They're all too willing to fall on their political sword and have excessive tunnel vision when it comes to the Constitution.  Some of them will claim that if a specific provision of government isn't in the Constitution, then the federal government shouldn't be spending on it.  I think that's a pretty narrow minded view of government, especially considering that whole "necessary and proper" thing.  Still, there are certain areas of society that we can all agree are meant for government spending.  Here's one of them; transportation.
BingChester :: Undeniable Spending
I love public transportation.  I think it's one of the best things you can do to encourage a coherent community.  Public transportation helps connect a community, expand access, make cities more walkable, and encourages green transportation.  New York City is wonderful when it comes to subway access.  On no other American public transportation system can you pay a flat fee to go from any point A to any point B at any hour in the day.  That's pretty wonderful.

The problem is that public transportation is not getting the proper funding needed to keep expanding.  COngress recently passed a large earmark bill to expand Amtrack services, so there's clearly some sort of federal commitment to this cause.  On a state level, however, we're not getting the funding we need for so many important project;

1) Second Avenue Subway - This project has sat around for decades, even though everyone agrees we need another east side subway line.  The 4 and 5 are one the most congested lines, and the 4 was recently named the slowest by the NYT.  Thankfully they've now started construction on the uptown section of the line that the Q will also run through, but it will be a decade before the "T" will be fully operational.

2) 7 Expansion - Some have talked about expanding the 7 past Times Square into the far West Side to connect the Javits Center and to give some subway access to the industrial West Side near Chelsea and the docks.  The funding isn't there.

3) East Side Access - Talk about an important project.  Direct connection between Grand Central and Penn Station is desperately needed, in order to alleviate cross town congestion and direct some traffic out of the horrid contemporary Penn Station.  This project continues to stall with only some basic construction up and running.

4) Signaling and Timing - This may not be as big of a concern, but it would be great to get all of the lines to operate like the L or the DC Metro operates.  Electronic signs with the approximate time of the next arriving train are great innovations.  Most of the MTA's signaling is on such antiquated equipment that this sort of technological growth isn't possible.  Supposedly the MTA will expand this service onto the 7 as well as the L (currently existing) but we can't expect it anywhere else.

These are only four small problems that come to mind about our public transportation, specifically our trains and subways.  The fact is that investments in public infrastructure are one of the most logical ways to spend precious tax revenues.  Public transportation is an egalitarian way to improve everyone's lives; it reduces congestion, improves community functionality, and provides affordable and efficient access to economic opportunities.

We need more spending on public transportation.

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Investment in public transportation is both necessary and progressive.  Having more efficient mass transit infrastructure improves productivity, reduces congestion, raises quality of life, and, of course, reduces the harmful effects human activity has on environmental conditions.  

The city and state have neglected the massive investment in public transportation that will be needed, throughout both the city and the state as a whole.  In New York City, as you mention when discussing signaling, much of the infrastructure is outdated and is going to require substantial investment to modernize.  Unfortunately, with the present economic situation, we're not likely to see much investment in PT infrastructure at all for the foreseeable future.


Too bad our irresponsibly legislature killed a huge revenue stream for these projects called (4.00 / 1)
congestion pricing.

I wish they had revised it (0.00 / 0)
I've spoken out before against congestion pricing because I think the actual plan was a silly way to implement a good idea.  If the plan was a commuter tax (an extra toll to enter the city coming into any of the five boroughs) then I think the plan would've passed.  I just wish Mayor Mike hadn't been so stubborn.

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Unfamiliar (0.00 / 0)
  What was it about the congestion plan that made it less palatable than the commuter tax or vice-versa?  I'm not being deliberately obtuse, I'm just really not familiar with the arguments from either perspective.  Here in Genesee County, 'congestion' is what happens when someone leaves the pasture gate unlatched.

  Don't judge other people by your own limitations.

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My original diary on the subject (0.00 / 0)
was here

To summarize, the congestion tax was covering only a portion of NYC, specifically the busiest part of Manhattan.  I saw the issue as a failure to actually address any of the problems; there was no proof that limiting congestion in central Manhattan would reduce congestion in general, and I felt it would move congestion to the outer boroughs and turn Queens/Brooklyn/Bronx into parking lots during business days.  I also felt that the environmental affects wouldn't come to fruition if overall congestion wasn't reduced (see previous argument) because pollution throughout NYC is relative and the air quality in central Manhattan wouldn't substantially improve if overall congestion through the five boroughs remained the same.

So if the point was to raise more for public transportation, I'd rather do it in a more sensible way that doesn't negatively affect the outer boroughs.  A commuter tax, one that affects anyone entering the boroughs instead of just inner Manhattan, would have addressed the issues and maintained the benefits.


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Very good (0.00 / 0)
points BingChester. Many got caught up in the hype over congestion, few remained level headed like you. It just needed some adjustments so that it made better sense. There was a better way to implement it. And as you say, Bloomberg got very 'my-way-or-highway about it.' I never liked that NJ drivers didn't actually pay. There was no incentive not to drive for them and for me that was a major weakness.  

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