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AD-64: Final Thoughts

by: Roatti

Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 20:41:13 PM EDT


On the eve of the most important race in New York this year, here are some final thoughts.

Assemblymembers Rory Lancman, Cathy Nolan and Audrey Pheffer really like the Albany status quo and are just asking for progressive primary challengers in 2010.

Turns out the creator of the Doctors for Congestion Pricing blog seems to know a little about public health:

This blog was started by Peter Muennig, an Assistant Professor in Health Policy and Management at Columbia University.

Dan Jacoby muses about what would happen if Silver actually lost:

Suppose, just for the fun of it, that lightning strikes, the earth shakes, and Silver loses. The immediate result would be a mad scramble for leadership in the Assembly, and the only guarantee is that nobody knows who would win. Well, almost the only guarantee -- for whoever wins will have to promise to push forward exactly those reforms that Silver's supporters are talking about.

The difference is that Silver isn't really the most progressive Speaker we could have, nor would he necessarily get things done. If Silver were more interested in getting things done than blaming others, rebuilding lower Manhattan (his district!) would have progressed much faster. Yes, he'll go along with the caucus (many call it "leading from behind"), but he's not out in front on campaign finance reform, he has stymied rules reform, and he severely watered down what little ethics reform that passed. And those last two don't require Senate help -- we're talking about the rules of his own House.

So don't support Sheldon Silver because we need his progressive leadership -- he hasn't shown any.

The word out of Silver's camp is that they're expecting around 65% of the vote.  I bet Silver gets less than 60%.  My final prediction is Silver 58%, Newell 35%, Henry 7%.

And even if Silver wins tomorrow, I am optimistic that he might implement some needed reforms in the next cycle.  Why do I speak such heresay?  Because Silver's past has shown a similar reaction to a similar circumstance.  When Silver's leadership was challenged from within the Assembly caucus by Michael Bragman, the gripe against him was that he was too indifferent to the members of his caucus.  Silver learned from that episode and became very attentive to the needs of his caucus since- so much so that he even shields them from having to actually vote on controversial issues.  So if Shelly wins by a less-than-expected margin this time, and with a Democratic Senate, he might actually implement some reforms if only to ensure he never has to go through what he is going through now again.  

But the election hasn't happened yet- it's tomorrow, so you still have time to volunteer for Paul Newell by calling his campaign at 646 415 8273.  

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Oh I see (0.00 / 0)
The Albany Project is calling for primaries against Lancman, Nolan and Pheffer (like the one you are running against Silver) just because those members do not think like you do. I only caution that if you want to take out every Assembly Democrat who supports Silver you'll have to run about 106 primaries because his members elect him unanimously. Better get going now because you'll be very busy in 2010. You will also successfully and completely further the notion that this website hates Assembly Democrats. But so be it, it's not my site I'm just a guest here. But in the end won't people wonder why someone running this site and working for the Senate Democrats wants to take out every Assembly Democrat?

There's a difference between (0.00 / 0)
working in Silver's caucus and giving him the use of your shoe-leather.  God forbid political differences be settled by gasp- elections!

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Well if the threshold (0.00 / 0)
for TAP to start it's 2010 primaries against Assembly Democrats is who dares give him a bit 'o their shoe leather than I think TAP might want to look closer at the count. (It's probably like 3 of his members PER street corner from what I hear).

Hey, don't get me wrong. I'm all for settling political differences through elections. They just always end in failure when they're run out of spite. I'm not the one calling for a political fatwa.

Then again you're talking to a scaredy cat who never played with a Ouija board for fear of what I'd drum up from the other side.  


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general question, Trublu (0.00 / 0)
I'm completely serious about this- I'm not trying to disrespect you- do you think, as legislatures go, is NY's good?

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Is the legislature perfect (0.00 / 0)
far from it. Does more need to be done. Yes, I agree with you. I just can't pin it all on this one guy. Look, at the end of the day we're still in the 'policy leader' category even with our shortcomings. We weren't rated 'incremental gainers' or 'leadership laggards' or even worse 'bottom of the barrel.' So yes as legislatures go I see our glass here half full not half empty.  

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Well, this is where we disagree (0.00 / 0)
and a lot of the good liberal NY laws were passed before the current generation came to Albany.

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Since when (4.00 / 1)
is roatti working for the Senate Democrats? Did I miss something, or is this just more of the usual intimidation tactics?

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About those three Silver supporters (4.00 / 1)
I have met Lancman, Nolan and Pheffer -- in fact, Cathy Nolan is my Assembly representative.  Notwithstanding the fact that they are actively working to help get Silver reelected, they are all very good Assembly reps.  Do I always agree with their positions and their actions?  Of course not.  But there is a difference between a legitimate disagreement and all-out war.

I'm all for challening any incumbent in any election.  The wake-up call this provides is exactly what the American system was created to do.  But a slogan of "they supported Silver" isn't exactly an election-winning phrase, nor should it be.  Sheldon Silver stands in the way of reform; of that there is no doubt.  That is why he is facing a serious challenge.  But he has been very, very good to the Democratic caucus, so it should come as no surprise that the caucus members would support him.

Put it another way -- I never supported Hillary Clinton for President.  Does that mean I should want to see practically the entire New York congressional delegation face tough challenges just because they supported Clinton?  No.  Should they face tough challenges because they're up for reelection?  Yes -- that's the American way.  But there should be no room for personal vendettas in politics; that doesn't solve anything.


Heh. (0.00 / 0)
Yeah, primarying every incumbent who supports other incumbents seems like a very steep hill to climb. Not sure that's either going to work or be very desirable; as Dan points out, Cathy Nolan, for example, is quite good.


An argument against term limits (4.00 / 1)
As Bouldin said, Cathy Nolan is quite good.  She was first elected to the Assembly in 1984, and will begin her 13th term in January.  If we enacted term limits at the state level, however, we would lose her services -- not what I would call a good thing.

There are plenty of her colleagues who have been in office too long.  "Too long" is defined (here) as meaning that the person no longer represents the interests of the district, either in Albany or at the district office.  Professional laziness is an occupational hazard when you have what is officially a "part-time" job and such enormous dysfunction, and many people fall prey to that hazard.

Some of them can be reawakened by a serious challenge, which usually means a primary challenge.  Others are beyond hope, and need to be replaced.

The key, however, is not through the blunt sledgehammer of term limits, but by the surgical scalpel of measures designed to reduce the power of incumbency.  A "Clean Elections" campaign finance system that includes restrictions on spending by political party machines, strict limits on member items, and other measures would make it possible to defeat incumbents who don't do their jobs.

Would these measures truly level the playing field?  Of course not.  But they would make it far easier to remove someone who isn't doing the job, while allowing the truly active, hard-working representatives to continue in office.


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Yeah, but (4.00 / 1)
as we continually see, even incumbents under indictment get re-elected, and often enough, even if they get challenged, the challenger is worse. I mean, look at Pedro Espada in the Bronx or Simcha Felder in Brooklyn.

The problem in New York is that our system and the legacies it perpetuates are so bad that we do need blunt instruments. I generally think that it's the system itself, not so much the people within it, that needs changing, but there are only so many realistic levers available to do so.

And yes, CMCE is awesome, even if one wearies slightly of seeing you bring it into every discussion :-)


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Fair enough (0.00 / 0)
I'm not too familiar with Nolan- today's news was basically a first impression.  If she is truly good, than I will support her against a challenger.  

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Fair enough (0.00 / 0)
I'm not too familiar with Nolan- today's news was basically a first impression.  If she is truly good, than I will support her against a challenger.  

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I agree on CMCE (0.00 / 0)
but even if power doesn't ruin all legislators, term limits forces them to get things done because they have a limited time to leave their legacies.  That is another benefit of term limits that is rarely discussed.  

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Rarely discussed? (0.00 / 0)
That's an understatement -- I've never heard it discussed before, and it should be discussed as part of the debate.

One opposing argument is that one shouldn't go into elective politics to leave a legacy but to make things better.  Look at the problems Michael Bloomberg has run into because he's trying to leave a legacy.  If he just worked to make things better, even if it meant not finishing the job before he's finished with his term, he'd have gotten more accomplished lately.

Also, when an elected official feels he or she is running out of time, the urge to get something enacted "now" can overwhelm the need to get something enacted that won't need to be fixed later on.

Just a couple of quick thoughts.


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