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Jerked around by unemployment

by: devtob

Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 17:27:41 PM EST


(As they say, it's not a bug, it's a feature. What a mess. - promoted by phillip anderson)

New York state has a process for applying for unemployment benefits that mostly involves going to its Labor Department website and filling out a several-pages-long form.

Then the state checks with your former employer, determines whether you have a valid claim and the amount of weekly benefits, and sends you a packet of stuff explaining the program.

The first, or "waiting," week is unpaid; after that, benefits should begin and be paid weekly. Your first check, at half your prior salary, should arrive about three weeks after application and approval.

But first, you have to make a phone call to "request credit for your waiting week."

And there's the jerk-around part.

Details, below.

devtob :: Jerked around by unemployment
I was laid off on Nov. 18. That day, I applied for unemployment benefits, and also did the required online check-in the following week.

As I went to claim benefits online this morning, I was logged in, then told:

You may not claim your weekly benefits using this system until you call the Telephone Claims Center at 1-888-209-8124 and request credit for your waiting week.

The phone call is, naturally, voice-mail-hell -- eight screens, and none of them allowed me to request credit for the waiting week.

Which should be redundant anyway, since I made a complete claim, it was validated, and that claim obviously included "requesting credit" for the waiting week.

Back to voice-mail-hell, when you finally, after three or four minutes, get to where you need to be to talk to a human being, you are told to call back later since:

"We are experiencing a high volume of calls at this time and all specialists are busy with other customers."

The machine did say it was sorry, anyway.

Perhaps the most infuriating part of this voice-mail-hell is that three times the machine encourages you to go to the website -- which cannot resolve the weirdly-created problem.

After spending an hour trying to connect with a person this morning, I gave up and called my assemblyman's office.

Cheryl at Ron Canestrari's office commiserated and said she'd look into it.

(She did, and said that the Labor Department will be "very liberal" in dealing with people who have problems like mine, and that someone from the department will be calling me. Whew!, for me, but what about other unfortunates? She also said that the department will be hiring more people to answer phones.)

I then called a local Labor Department office, was told that calling the number is the only way, and that someone she knew had spent three days on the phone to get through.

THREE DAYS!?

It got worse when I called a friend who works for another local assemblyman, who told me she had someone come into her office who waited six weeks for his check because he could not get through the obviously inadequate voice-mail-hell system. (He avoided homelessness because he was living with his parents.)

SIX WEEKS!?

So, after posting this here and at Daily Kos, and calling a few reporters and labor types I know, I'll be spending untold hours trying to access this lousy system and avoid losing a week's benefits.

In a conspiracy-theory moment, it came to me that making unemployment harder to get may be a feature, not a bug.

New York is in a severe fiscal crisis, and must be saving lots of money through its unemployment jerk-around system.

With about 525,000 unemployed in the state, making, say, 10 percent of them lose a week because the system rewards with timely payments only those with the time and patience to spend days in voice-mail-hell makes perverse fiscal sense.

Especially when some who do spend all week calling may not get through.

So, if the average benefit check is $300, multiply that by 52,500, and you get $15.75 million.

That's hypothetical, but even if only part of it is fact, it provides an incentive for the state to screw some people in their time of intense need.

Especially when unemployment is expected to grow for the foreseeable future, and make getting through on the phone even harder.

And, I must add, New York has a Democratic governor, who is ultimately responsible for the performance of state agencies.

I like and support David Paterson -- he's done a good job so far in recognizing, and dealing with, how the Bush recession and the financial industry meltdown will affect state government.

But Paterson MUST do something to resolve this problem at the Labor Department, because screwing newly unemployed people and/or making them jump through ridiculous voice-mail-hell hoops is not a Democratic value.

   

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Tip jar (4.00 / 2)
It's hard enough losing your job and having to live on half your salary.

Why is NYS making that ordeal even harder?


my gf was laid off yesterday (4.00 / 2)
i lost my home today. going to be one hell of a winter.

happy holidays everybody!

TODAY is day one. It always is.


You lost your home, AGAIN!? (0.00 / 0)
And your gf lost her job at roughly the same time.

Geez, that makes my complaint about voice-mail-hell trying to get unemployment benefits seem so trivial.

Best of luck to you and the gf, and your cute dog, too.

I know you're a city type, but there's a spare bedroom near Albany available in a pinch.
   


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Wow (4.00 / 1)
I'm sorry to hear that. Good luck.

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Damn. (4.00 / 1)
Youse guys are making me feel real lucky to be getting back from visiting my husband's ailing elderly relatives and be back amongst the ranks of those whose unemployment ran out and are now involuntarily part-time underemployed.

Hang in there, all three of you (devtob, Phillip & gf).


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Ugh (4.00 / 1)
I'm so sorry to hear about this.  I help unemployment claimants whose employers object to their receiving benefits.  These employers claim their former employees conducted misconduct and, as a result, are disqualified from receiving benefits.  I'm glad to hear that isn't the case with you, as that process can also be very trying.

New York's unemployment system is horrible.  It needs a lot of changes.  I hope you get this sorted out!


Conspiracy Theory? (4.00 / 3)
Sounds like a way for lazy workers to stay off the phones / sound economic policy / you're getting rammed up the @$$ to me.

My son is experiencing the same thing (4.00 / 2)
He spent one entire day on the phone and many subsequent days since. He now has been waiting 5 weeks for a check.  

My aunt works at the local Job Development.  She can't even help him.  He also has a friend going through the exact same hell.  

Another point.  Isn't one of the requirements of receiving unemployment benefits being ready, able and willing to look for work?  How in the hell does a person look for work when they are on the phone all day long?

Good luck!


FIVE WEEKS!? (4.00 / 2)
is an absolute disgrace, and for some unemployed people not living with their parents, a one-way ticket to the homeless shelter.

Make some noise -- call your assemblymember and senator and complain; call the local Labor Department office and insist that your complaint be passed up the line; write a letter to the editor; call the local newspaper's newsroom and ask to talk to a reporter or editor; etc.


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Here's a hint to get through (4.00 / 2)
When it asks language, wait till it gets to "other" and then wait on hold for a "translator."
You will not be hung up on like the other prompts when they are "too busy."
Expect a possible 6-10 minute wait but you will get a normal english-speaking person that can help you.

Well, after another wasted hour oin the phone, (0.00 / 0)
I tried your suggestion.

Sure enough, I got a person after about 10 minutes on hold.

She asked what language I spoke, I said English and quickly explained that I had been calling unsuccessfully for days.

She replied, "You can't come in on this line; it's too expensive," and dumped me back into the main system.

Where I was again disconnected and machine-told to call back later.

It's remarkable that not speaking English gives one an advantage in completing a NYS unemployment claim.
 


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Try again (0.00 / 0)
Seriously. You can get a person to help you. The person you spoke to was just lazy.

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Sorry (4.00 / 1)
About your experience, hopefully you will grow from this.

Are you a vet? I know that being a vet, If I have any problems, the local DOL/CDO WorkForce office vet rep handles everything. I call this a feature also.

Government intervention is what the bureaucracy needs more of!! Doh!


This Sucks (4.00 / 1)
This same crap is happening to me, I filed for unemployment 3 weeks ago, i have tried calling them all day every day and i still get the same damn message... i would really appreciate maybe somones extension number that can help me out, or something... i cant afford to not have this unemployment any longer, ieevn tried the "other language" and still they tell me tehre too busy, i REALLY dont think there too busy, they just dont wanna pay people money anymore... any advice would help alot....thx

Try this: (4.00 / 1)
Assembly Member Susan John chairs the Assembly Labor Committee.  Call her office(s), number below, and be sure to note that you have read here at TAP that many others are also experiencing the same problem.  Also, call your own Assembly member for help. If you can, follow up the phone calls with letters, as this will help you if you have to have documentation that you were trying to get on unemployment earlier than the date it was finally resolved (keep copies).

Assembly Member Susan John

DISTRICT OFFICE
840 University Avenue
Rochester, NY 14607
585-244-5255

ALBANY OFFICE
LOB 522
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-4527

I am also going to put in a phone call on behalf of the many people here who are experiencing this.


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Also: (4.00 / 1)
I got no response (yet) from Susan John's office-- they are checking on it.  I also called Felix Ortiz's district office-- he is also on the Assembly Labor Committee, and he and his staff have a really good track record for going to bat for those who need a hand.  I spoke with a very sympathetic staffmember there, who said that she would call over to the Dept. of Labor and check into it.  She had not had other calls about this, and, my report was third-hand.  Could those of you who have experienced this (or have relatives who have) please call them and explain what happened?  I think that they will make a fuss if this is as bad as it looks... better district office if possible...

Assembly Member Felix Ortiz

DISTRICT OFFICE
404 55th Street
Brooklyn, NY 11220
718-492-6334

ALBANY OFFICE
LOB 627
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-3821


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