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More On Deal With "Gang Of Three"

by: robert.harding

Thu Dec 04, 2008 at 17:13:49 PM EST


Phillip gave us an announcement earlier that the "Gang of Three" had reached a deal with Senate Minority Leader Malcolm Smith. Courtesy of Liz, here are some more details about the agreement that was reached today:

- The positions of Senate majority leader and president pro tempore, which were both held by former Majority Leader Joe Bruno, have now been bifurcated. Senator-elect Pedro Espada Jr. will be the majority leader while Smith is president pro tempore.

The majority leader post in other legislative bodies in New York, the City Council and the Assembly, for example, is not one with a lot of power. Espada told me he has been assured by Smith that his position will "have absolute substance," and, as a result, "the Latino empowerment issue has been substantially enhanced."

Espada said he will have a "meaningful role" (Nick Confessore reports it's vice chairman) with the Senate Rules Committee, arguably one of the more powerful committees in the chamber and the last stop for all the bills before they go to the floor for a vote. He'll also have a part to play in the next big fight coming down the pike: Redistricting.

- Sen. Carl Kruger will not get the Housing Committee, as some activists like ACORN's Bertha Lewis, had feared, but he will chair a pumped-up Senate Finance Committee. Recall that this was something the Republicans proposed in an effort to woo the Gang of Three to their side. The committee will have an enhanced staff and a fair degree of independence.

- Sen. Ruben Diaz Sr. will chair the Aging Committee.

A few things here: Espada got a nice deal. It must be nice to walk into a legislative body and be anointed someone who will wield a certain amount of power. How much exactly remains to be seen. But Espada got a nice deal here.

Naming Kruger to the Senate Finance Committee is interesting, especially considering here in Western New York we were pushing during the campaign that Sen. Bill Stachowski would become the Chairman of the Finance Committee. In fact, Stachowski was the ranking minority member of the committee. Kruger jumped Stachowski, plus two other members of the soon-to-be majority to get the chair. I don't like this deal, considering Stachowski's service in the Senate, and I hope that Stachowski receives some sort of post in return.

Giving Diaz the Aging Committee isn't a huge deal. Diaz was in line to chair that committee anyway considering his ranking minority member status.

There is one other notable part of this deal. According to Liz's report, senators will be seated in alphabetical order instead of by party. Espada argues that this could mean the end to party-line voting, although I'm not sure how much a New York State Senate game of musical chairs matters to how senators vote.

I'm sure there is more to this that we haven't been told yet. But we will see what details come out over the next day or two.  

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not very surprising (0.00 / 0)
Great summary, though.  

This was not a win (4.00 / 1)
I know there wasn't much else to expect but we lost a bit here.  1) Espada wields WAY too much power in this deal. On the bright side, at least he has a huge target on his back.  2) Kruger jumped way too many spots and he was probably the least important member in the gang.  3) One other details that's been mentioned is an explicit deal that gay marraige won't come up for a vote.  We gave in on equal rights for two years; that's a loss.

Finally, one greater issue; if we don't deal with these three in 2010, then no Democrat has any incentive to play ball and fall in line.  Party line support was thrown out the window here, and we don't want to provide an incentive for more people to do what these three did.

In short, we need to make these three pay.  Start the primary challenge search now.

"Never be afraid to stand with the minority when the minority is right, for the minority which is right will one day be the majority."


-William Jennings Bryan


I will still support their primary opponents. (0.00 / 0)
Somebody just let me know to whom I should write the checks.  Nobody should be able to pull a Lieberman and get away with it.

[ Parent ]
Unseating the "Gang" (0.00 / 0)
Where/how can our efforts best be directed to start the process unseating this "Gang" in the next election?    
I'd like to get started right away.  
Please post any suggestions!

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This is a HORRIBLE deal (4.00 / 1)
As stated in the previous thread, you don't negotiate with terrorists.

Party labels are irrelevant if Conservatives still rule the roost - a distinction without a difference.


... (0.00 / 0)
Espada getting such a huge role is brilliant actually. We wanted to change the face of Albany, well, this is certainly an opportunity to do just that. It goes against the traditional mentality of the duopoly. New blood can be a huge boost for both parties. Best of luck to him.

Kruger, its the same thing.

I think this gang of 4, play their cards right. And in the long run can be a major win for both parties, if successful.

If not, I do fear a future of the same old same old. We just have to ensure that we are keeping our Representatives on their tows and aware of the issues.

Its going to be interesting to see how many of thoe BIG CHECKS James Seward gets into the paper with over the next few years.  


This is NOT good. (4.00 / 1)
This is NOT good. There are far more ramifications to this than meets the eye. Kruger and Espada know they have targets on their back and will do everything they can to keep more seats from going Dem.

Furthermore, it is pretty disgusting that in this day, women have been completely shut out of the leadership of the Legislature, AND, Upstate lost it's voice. Now of the  top spots, not one is from north of the Bronx.

Also, trading off gay marriage for votes is just pathetic. These guys got EVERYTHING they wanted. Malcolm did not get a single thing out of them. That is weak.


Rebirth of the Republican majority (0.00 / 0)
If Smith and the Democratic majority were even-handed and fair, we could have kept a "bluing" trend going in upstate NY.  Unfortunately, the Dems have just proven that a State Senate in Democratic hands would just be about corrupt bickering over racial/ethnic politics in NYC, totally ignoring upstate, even during a massive recession.

So, what Republicans could not do for themselves, Democrats will do for them: reinvent and revitalize the Republican Party in upstate NY.


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FUCK THIS DEAL (0.00 / 0)
Stach and Thompson should bail on the caucus.

And Aubertine, Breslin, and Valesky too. (0.00 / 0)
Malcolm made a big mistake in cutting this deal so hastily with the trio of hoodlums.  The aforementioned handful of upstaters could easily decide to gang up on him too, and then what happens?  Malcolm might get to be president pro tempore, but the emphasis is clearly on the TEMPORE.

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splintering the majority (0.00 / 0)
Smith and Paterson have presented a roadmap for factions to get what they want.  Espada and, particulary Kruger now have substantial power centers.  If Kruger establishes an enhanced and more independent Senate Finance Committee with a staff that he controls unilaterally things could get ugly fast.  (By the way, does this count as a reform agenda?) Many of their colleagues could become alienated very quickly.

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it won't be much of a roadmap (0.00 / 0)
If they get primary opponents in 2010.  

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two years is a lifetime (0.00 / 0)
in politics.  Let's hope for some GOP senate retirements and adding some seats.  

[ Parent ]
Let's get on it! (0.00 / 0)
Let's make sure that it is only two years and not four or more.  How about some good ideas about on starting to lookg for and groom primaray challengers?

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Not sure why (0.00 / 0)
but I'm fairly calm about this deal.

It seems like the Senate process will be changing toward a more open model, one of the few things that Smith and the Gang of Three agreed on.  That's a good thing.

I can't stand Carl Kruger either, but this doesn't change things.

Espada, I have to say, impressed me with his willingness to jump in against an indicted Democratic incumbent that the Democratic establishment was, well, stupid to continue supporting.  I don't like the way he plays his cards, but he certainly knows how to play them.

I had no idea that the history between Espada, Diaz, and the Bronx Democrats was that insanely complicated, but if what we have is the best the Bronx can do, I'm not terribly surprised that we landed where we did.

As for Upstate, sure - this sucks.  But I think we knew it was going to suck as soon as the Gang of Four emerged, and they were all downstaters.  The bigger piece of the story is yet to come - what happens if/when we have sane redistricting and more than a few Upstate Democrats in the Senate.

Or, hey, you know - the Assembly has lots of Upstate Dems. Maybe they should take over that chamber...

(And no, I didn't think they'd have the votes to change the marriage laws in any event.)


I was going to ask about that (the marriage thing). (0.00 / 0)
I mean with Diaz threating to bolt if it was even brought up, would we have enough votes to do something?  Would it be a party line or are there Republicans/Democrats who would probably switch.

(I've been reading this blog for a while, as I'm moving to NYC after school and want to know more about my future home, and I finally bit the bullet and created a user name.  So there's still a lot I don't know about New York State politics.)


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Absolutely incredible! (0.00 / 0)
How do you make a guy who didn't even bother to establish a campaign account, much less file any of the required disclosures of revenues received and expenditures made in getting elected the Majority Leader of the conference?  Why aren't the Feds and/or the State Board of Elections auditors all over this guy like a herd of turtles?  So much for clean elections, and honest and open government.  Why bother w/ all that bureaucratic paperwork when bags of cash changing hands in the night is so much more efficient.  It's time for a unicameral legislative branch in NY, because the two Houses are starting to look like a distinction w/o a difference anyway.  Malcolm to Upstate: up yours!

The alphabetical seating "reform" is hoot too! (0.00 / 0)
This particular part of the alphabetical seating should be interesting:

Skelos, Dean G.
Smith, Malcolm A.
Stachowski, William T.

And these groupings too (which actually may well help drive some of the elders out):

Johnson, Craig M.
Johnson, Owen H.
Klein, Jeffrey D.

Duane, Thomas K.
Farley, Hugh T.


Shuffling Deck Chairs (0.00 / 0)
Is all it is - cosmetic "reform" that dare I say "lipstick on a pig" of a deal.

We "took it back," but if you had told me three months ago that Espada and Kruger would be running the conference, I would have said "only if they caucus with the Republicans."

Just insane.


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not sure (0.00 / 0)
So one-third of New York's population gets zero representation in the power positions.

However this was typical of Democrats and their circular firing squad.  I suspect the end of Pax Democratica will be just as nasty and brutish as the start of it.


LOL (4.00 / 1)
just realized we have MORE "power positions" and even LESS Upstate representation.  

[ Parent ]
have to disagree, even violently, over the firing squad comment (0.00 / 0)
The root of this problem is, I think, Democrats' total inability to regularly consider primarying folks.  

We needed a much more active political system to root out Kruger (how'd he stay in?  Geez...).  

Espada got (back) in despite his Republican tendencies because for some reasons the Dems weren't ready to let go of an indicted state senator.

Diaz is totally well connected, though he's mostly used those connections to battle Espada - well, until a few months ago.

If the Democratic party was actually functioning downstate, none of these three guys would likely be a State Senator.  Instead, we have clubhouses, machines, and this is what we get for it.

Yikes!  Not that Upstate is political paradise either, but come on - "getting the blood flowing" isn't necessarily about firing squads.  It's also about basic circulation, restoring needed vitality.


[ Parent ]
firing squad (0.00 / 0)
It's a clubhouse as before, but now they've just pulled the chairs into a circle and are cleaning their respective weapons.

 Okay, so it's a small CFS that may not actually take down Democratic control of the Senate, but I am still expecting to hear the muffled blam-blams and puffs and flashes of smoke.
Maybe this is how you get rid of these people... put them together in a small room and let them fight to the death.


[ Parent ]
do we cheer or weep (0.00 / 0)
When the sound of gunfire emerges from the clubhouse?

Or maybe we just need to find ways to get rid of the clubhouse entirely?


[ Parent ]
Do something (0.00 / 0)
Who is the Doctor that can get the blood flowing again?  

How can/will it ever happen?!

As the old saying goes, complaints and observations are cheap, easy, ubiquitous and, in the end, worthless.     Actionable ideas and suggestions are priceless...


[ Parent ]
there isn't a single doctor (0.00 / 0)
Just a whole lot of often neglectful caregivers - us voters.

As for doing something, I'm doing what I can here in Tompkins County.  I've been pushing here for a while, not always particularly to applause.  I've done pretty well at the Town level, and hopefully someday my encouragement will help someone to challenge our Assembly member, but it's long, slow, and frustrating - though hopefully not worthless.

I'd love to have a plan for addressing the broken Democratic parties in NYC, but to really work, these things have to come from the voters and political activists who actually live in a given place.  

Donating to primary opponents helps, and definitely makes it easier for people within the district get started.  I don't think, though, that it would make sense for a bunch of us Upstate to descend on the Bronx and Brooklyn - the local folks there might well notice, and not like it.


[ Parent ]
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