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Another Possible Senate Appointee Meets With Paterson-- Elizabeth Holtzman

by: robinia

Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 20:05:39 PM EST


In his post here on Tuesday, Robert had a good synopsis of general consensus on a suitable US Senate appointee:

Judging by the reaction every post about the soon-to-be vacant U.S. Senate has gotten, I believe it would be fair to say that the TAP community wants someone who is a progressive Democrat with experience as an elected official and someone who can help Governor David Paterson (and other Democrats) in 2010 and beyond.

I'd add to that a strong preference being expressed for somebody with some statewide name recognition, maybe even somebody who has campaigned for statewide office.

Well, folks, today Paterson met with somebody who fits all that to a "t."

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robinia :: Another Possible Senate Appointee Meets With Paterson-- Elizabeth Holtzman
I must admit, this is the first name that has been floated that really hit me as an excellent idea.  I could see rationales for others-- but, to me, Holtzman is genuinely compelling, exciting.

Here are some details of the meeting with Paterson, from Cap Con:

Former congresswoman, Brooklyn District Attorney, and New York City Comptroller Elizabeth Holtzman has put her name in the list of contenders to replace Sen. Hillary Clinton...."We had a warm and very friendly conversation about the Senate seat. I presented the unique credentials that I thought would be useful to the state at this very difficult time."

"I think the governor will make a very thoughtful decision. I've been tested during a national crisis. I was there during Watergate, people saw me there, people saw me question Ford on his pardon. I've been tested."

She talked about her work to promote the rights of women (successfully pushing for an extension of the deadline for states to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment, passing legislation that would protect the privacy of rape victims), passing legislation to expel Nazi war criminal.

She also told the governor about her experience addressing previous fiscal crises - she was on the House budget committee during the city's first fiscal crisis in the 1970's and was city comptroller during the fiscal crisis in the 90's.

She also noted to Paterson that she has campaigned statewide, in both her state bids.

"He said I could do the job, and he acknowledged that I had very unique qualifications."

"He was listening, and he talked about some points and asked questions. He's a very good listener."

The Cap Con piece points out what a pioneer Holtzman has been for women, having been the youngest woman elected to the US House of Representatives, where she served from 1973-1981, and having also been the first woman to be elected Kings County District Attorney, and the first woman to be elected NYC Comptroller.  Tough stuff.

Holtzman also has a unique qualification that was coming up repeatedly in our discussions here at TAP: she has actually run for, raised money for, and campaigned for the job-- twice, yet.  She ran, but did not win, in the US Senate race in 1980 and 1992.

And, here's the amazing thing, which makes me really think that she might be just the woman for the time right now: she was on the Watergate Committee and cast one of the votes to impeach Richard M. Nixon.  That, my friends, is worth rewarding.

Update: Checked a bit of her history on Wikipedia, just so that you wouldn't have to:

She was born in 1941, which makes her 67 years old now.  Three years younger than the guy who just ran for President.  But, on the flip of that, she would definitely not be being appointed to years and years and years of incumbancy.

In fact, those of you who are no fans of incumbancy might find her record interesting.  In her first campaign for the House of Representatives, she won an upset victory over Judiciary Committee chairman Emanuel Celler, a fifty-year incumbent and the longest serving member of the House at the time.  In her 1980 Senate run, it was, in fact, an incumbent who lost her the election (by 1% of the vote).  She had won the primary against Jacob Javits-- even though big-name candidates former NYC-Mayor John V. Lindsay and Former Beauty Queen Bess Myers had more important endorsements and were favored to win.  But, when she faced off against challenger Al D'Amato, Javits chose not to support her, but ran on the Liberal Party ticket, retaining his union endorsements.

In her 1992 bid for the Senate seat, she finished last in an ugly primary with only 13% of the vote. The primary field was crowded (Geraldine Ferraro, New York State Attorney General Robert Abrams, Representative Robert J. Mrazek and Rev. Al Sharpton), and she had a difficult time gaining enough campaign contributions to compete effectively statewide.

But, I gotta say, what I liked best in the Wikipedia bio was what she has been up to since leaving elected office.  Here it is:

Her last term in elective office ended in 1994. Since then she has been an attorney in private practice. She is now an attorney and author on politics. For nearly ten years, ending in 2007, she served on a Congressionally mandated commission, the IWG, charged with producing a report recommending for declassification U.S. records relating to Nazi and Japanese Imperial Government war crimes. Since 2006, as a book author and blogger, she has advocated the impeachment of President George W. Bush.[2]

Holtzman entered the private practice of law in New York City.

She published a memoir in 1996, Who said it would be easy: one woman's life in the political arena (Cynthia L. Cooper, coauthor).

Miss Holtzman was a public member of the long running Nazi War Crimes and Japanese Imperial Government Records Interagency Working Group (IWG}, a commission established by a 1998 act of Congress to locate, identify, inventory, and recommend for declassification, currently classified U.S. records relating to Nazi and Imperial Japanese war crimes. Along with other public members, she had some sharp and public disagreements with the Central Intelligence Agency's interpretation of the law.[16] On 2007-09-28, the Archivist of the United States presented to Congress, the Administration, and the American people the final report of the IWG.[17]

On January 11, 2006 The Nation published her essay calling for the impeachment of U.S. President George W. Bush for authorizing "the wiretapping of hundreds, possibly thousands, of Americans, in violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act."[18] She expanded on her arguments for impeaching President Bush in a 2006 book coauthored with Cynthia L. Cooper, The impeachment of George W. Bush: a practical guide for concerned citizens.[18] In June 2008, Holtzman published a commentary on the action of U.S. Representative Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) in introducing articles of impeachment against President Bush on June 9, 2008[19].

She is employed at Herrick Feinstein, LLP, in New York.

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wow (0.00 / 0)
Interesting.  My first reaction on seeing her name was a pleasant recognition.  Kind of a relief to see someone floated who has actual experience.

My reaction (0.00 / 0)
She'd be a great Senator, but where she really belongs is on the U.S. Supreme Court.

Also, she didn't just vote to impeach Nixon, she was the first to offer an article of impeachment, for the secret bombing of Cambodia.  She has always been a leader.


I guess I'm dating myself here (0.00 / 0)
But I remember hearing her name a lot during NYC's fiscal crisis in the 70s.  

Certainly an intriguing choice.  


I could support her (0.00 / 0)
and for me it's probably a plus that she's been out of politics for a while, after plenty of experience earlier.

??? (0.00 / 0)
Who?

I don't remember the 70s, but this is quite literally the first time I've heard the name.


That would be not paying attention to some sources that others do (0.00 / 0)
I do remember the seventies (lots of voters do, esp. in older-than-average upstate... and she was much more recently--90s-- a sitting elected in NYC), but, that's not needed, if you are in touch with other sources of info.

You are, I'm thinking, not a Nation reader-- you might remember her from there, if you were.  Or, a feminist or promoter of women in public office, who would remember the hotly-contested 1990 primary for Senate, which was national news in those circles.  Or, a person with family members who died in the Holocaust (lots of those in immigrant-entry-central NY) who knows about her tireless work to track down and expel fascist war criminals who took refuge in the US. Or, an advocate of the impeachment of G.W.Bush, familiar with her writing from that point of view. Or, a downstate type who would remember her as NYC Comptroller.

So, she would have to convince you that she was a worthy Senator over the time she served before standing for re-election and deserved your vote.... if you still lived in NY.


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I should be back in NY by September 2010 (0.00 / 0)
It's only a 2 year program, and if it wasn't for the Obama vote and in-state tuition, I wouldn't even have legally moved.

You are, I'm thinking, not a Nation reader

Not really. My generation doesn't have the attention span for their 25 page articles.

Or, a feminist or promoter of women in public office, who would remember the hotly-contested 1990 primary for Senate

I'm a feminist in the sense that I believe in equal rights and opportunities for the genders. I often promote woman candidates for public office; indeed I believe that women as candidates have a distinct advantage over men and we should run as many as we can find. I did not yet follow politics closely in 1990. The local 1996 (97?) school board races were he beginnings of my personal involvement.

Or, a person with family members who died in the Holocaust (lots of those in immigrant-entry-central NY) who knows about her tireless work to track down and expel fascist war criminals who took refuge in the US.

I had literally hundreds of family members die in the Holocaust. Thanks.

Or, an advocate of the impeachment of G.W.Bush, familiar with her writing from that point of view.

Not an impeachment advocate, no. I think it would have been seen by the public as ticky-tack. If her piece on impeachment is as groundbreaking as you say, thsn I surely read it, but her name didn't stick. I don't remember who wrote any of the articles I read in the NYT or WSJ this morning either.

Or, a downstate type who would remember her as NYC Comptroller.

Born in Tonawanda NY and lived all my life in Amherst NY. So, no. I don't know who the NYC comptroller is now; hell, it took me nearly thirty seconds to remember who the Buffalo comptroller is now. (Sanflippo?)

I'm sorry I don't have the slightest clue who this woman is, but mocking me for it wont help ring a bell.


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hey (0.00 / 0)
I'm not sure if Robinia was mocking you, Amherst Guy.  Anyhow you don't need to feel bad about not remembering Holtzman.  I recognized her name instantly as a NY politician of stature, but could not immediately recall what offices she had held or what campaigns she had had. She was a little before my time as well.  

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addendum (0.00 / 0)
I recognized her name instantly as a STATEWIDE politician of stature.  So I must have subconsciously recalled her Senate and Comptroller runs.

I am sure many other Upstate voters will also remember her.


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Oy. (0.00 / 0)
Definitely was NOT mocking you.

I was trying to catalogue which kinds of people would and would not have a name-recognition thing for her.  There are a lot of folks who won't know who she is, but many who will.  Did not mean anything personal, and am glad you will be back in NY by a particular date.

Very sorry that your family lost lots of people in the Holocaust.  As I mentioned in the post, I think that the work that Holtzman did on bringing the war criminals amongst us to justice (and/or just documenting their crimes) after holding public office was some of the most impressive stuff she did in her whole career.

As far as Nation reading being a generational thing, not at all sure about that.  A lot of my college classmates (avg. 20 years younger than me) had a much heartier appetite for that stuff than I do.  I think it is about patience for reading, and that does vary, and, yeah, the Nation is on the heavy end.


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now that I think back (0.00 / 0)
I think what I remember is her involvement with the Nixon impeachment hearings (this is hazy for me since I was 4 at the time).  And I think my mom voted for her in a Senatorial primary once.

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Liz...where ya been? (0.00 / 0)
What a great candidate and breath of fresh air from New York's storied past! Ms. Holtzman would be a fine Senator, bringing her leadership skills and integrity to New York and Washington, DC when both are needed so badly.

Tax the Church.

I think she would be a fine pick... (0.00 / 0)
If Paterson wants to go this route. That route being picking someone to fill the seat until 2010 when we can elect someone to fill those shoes. The only issue with that is you won't have someone already entrenched as the senator running alongside Paterson. That might be a big enough negative to look elsewhere.

But her qualifications are there. Her progressive ideals are there. She has what it takes to be a great senator. Maybe she wouldn't mind stick around for a term or two? She's only 67, which is young for the U.S. Senate.

By the way, I was once a subscriber to The Nation and I do read the articles online on a regular basis. So I can't be lumped into that generation Amherst Guy speaks of.  


I agree this may be a care-taker pick (0.00 / 0)
On the other hand, there will be someone entrenched running alongside Paterson: Chuck Schumer.  I guess the one caveat is that Schumer may not be as closely associated with Paterson in the minds of voters as a Paterson appointee would.  

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Liz Holtzman (0.00 / 0)
There's no way Governor Paterson would pick Holtzman for the seat.  Let's look at the electoral record -- which must be an important consideration:  1980 -- lost to Al D'Amato; ran and won for Brooklyn DA, ran and won for NYC Comptroller, ran and lost for US Senate --coming in LAST in the 1992 Democratic Primary (LAST!!!), and then losing her inmcumbant NYC Comptroller seat to Alan Hevesi.

Liz cannot be expected to raise boatloads of money and run twice in 2010 and 2012.  The only viable choices are Caroline Kennedy or Andrew Cuomo.  All other picks risk a lost seat in 2010.


Oh, yeah. (0.00 / 0)
Let's by all means go only for who can raise the most cash.  It should be between Bloomberg and Golisano, I guess, then.

Boy, I sure hope that most of TAP is not so focused on pay to play as that.  If Paterson is, well, that will say something very different about him than what carrying the Clean Money/Clean Elections bill all those years said.

Liz lost the first Senate race by 1% because Javits abandoned our party and democratic decisionmaking in primaries.  The 1990s run was abortive, she did not get the money to undertake a good campaign, mainly because there were other candidates who appealed to sources that backed her previously, and again, later (Ferraro, Sharpton).

Most politicians with long records win some and lose some.  Schumer has lost; Cuomo has lost; Hillary has lost.  I feel utterly confident that Caroline Kennedy (who has never stood for election) would lose the seat if she ran again later.  Money or no money, fame or no fame, upstate blanks are not going to vote for a limousine-liberal Kennedy from NYC who never held a job or ran for an election in her life.


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I'm not sure I buy (0.00 / 0)
That Andrew Cuomo and Caroline Kennedy are as strong as people think.  Cuomo won by only as much as Hevesi in 2006 and a Kennedy (Kathleen Townsend) lost a governor's race in deep blue Maryland  

Name recognition factors in a in a big way right now, it will factor in less when someone's been in office for two years.  I continue to believe that anyone picked who does a good job as Senator will win, given the make-up of the state.  


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Cuomo and Kennedy... (0.00 / 0)
I don't think comparing Cuomo to Hevesi is just. Hevesi was an incumbent and while he was rocked by scandal, he was still a Democrat in a blue state running against a terrible Republican challenger and voters knew that with Hevesi's troubles, as long as he won Democrats would still have the seat when someone (Tom DiNapoli) was appointed to fill the seat.

Cuomo was running for an open Attorney General's seat. Open seats are open seats. He won convincingly, but again, it was an open seat.

And I agree with your last paragraph. We have to remember that whomever is appointed will have time to prove that they are deserving of being elected in 2010. I tend to believe that no matter what happens, depending on the person who is appointed, there will be a primary in 2010 and possibly in 2012. We'll see. But the person appointed will have the chance to prove themselves for two years, giving them a leg up on the competition.  


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you're right, it was an open seat (0.00 / 0)
I forgot about that.  That changes things.  


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If Holtzman were to be appointed... (0.00 / 0)
I don't think she would be a long-term pick. She wouldn't be a pick for 2010 and 2012. She would be a pick to serve out the term through 2010 so that we can elect someone.

As for your criticisms of her, I don't know why you made a big deal about her coming last in the 1992 Democratic primary for U.S. Senate. She ran against someone who was a statewide elected official, Geraldine Ferraro (who like Holtzman, is a woman) and Al Sharpton.

Yes, she lost her fair share of races. But she also won plenty of them too. That should not go unmentioned.

The "only" viable choices are Caroline Kennedy and Andrew Cuomo? I beg to differ on that. This is a blue state. I will take any Democrat against Peter King in 2010. If you really think he can beat someone like, say, Nydia Velazquez, I think you are wrong.  


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