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Blue shift

by: Exile on Ericsson St.

Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 10:28:53 AM EST


With all the discussion of how Paterson's selection to fill Hillary Clinton's seat affects Democrats' prospects of holding the seat, I thought it might be instructive to take a look at how much more Democratic New York State has become over the past 25 years or so. Here's a chart of how New York State voted in each presidential election since 1980 and how that compares to the rest of the country.  The number in the first column is how much the Democratic presidential candidate won by in NYS, the number in the second is how much he won by nationwide (it's negative if the Republican won) and the third column is the first column minus the second.


Year  NYS     US      NYS - US
1980 - 2.67% - 9.7%  7.03%
1984 - 8.01% - 18.2%  10.19%
1988 4.10% - 7.8%  11.90%
1992 14.85% 5.30%  9.55%
1996 28.86% 8.50%  20.36%
2000 25.00% 0.50%  24.50%
2004 18.29% - 2.5%  20.79%
2008 25.50% 7.2%  18.30%

As you can see, New York State tended to vote about 10% more Democratic than the country as a whole in 1980-1992 and about 20% more Democratic than the nation as a whole in 1996-2008.  That's a big jump.  And it's probably no coincidence that the shift happened when southerners essentially took over the Republican party in 1994.  

The last Republican Senator from New York State was Al D'Amato.  You may recall that he first got in in 1980 by defeating liberal Republican Jacob Javits in the primary and then edging out Liz Holtzman by 1 point in the general with the help of Javits (who ran on the Liberal Party line and drew union and other progressive support which otherwise would likely have gone to Holtzman).  D'Amato won a resounding reelection victory in 1986 and then won a squeaker in 1992 over Robert Abrams after a famously nasty Democratic primary which left Abrams badly wounded politically.  D'Amato was then soundly defeated by Chuck Schumer in 1998.  Here's a chart summarizing that:

Year D'Amato Dem Javits
1980 45.00% 44.00% 11.00%
1986 57.70% 40.90% *
1992 49.00% 47.80% *
1998 45.00% 55.00% *

It's been awfully tough for Republicans at the federal level in NYS since 1996 and their situation wasn't that great before 1996 either.

The bottom line here is that any good Democratic candidate will likely cruise to victory in 2010.  There's no need for Kennedy "star power" but neither is there a need to pick an upstater to make inroads in the upstate vote (though personally I would like to see an upstater chosen).  A solid Democratic Senator -- regardless of his or her last name, gender, or zip code will win a solid victory in 2010.  

And obviously all of that's doubly true if Peter King is the Republican nominee.  

What this means is that if you think Brian Higgins would be a great Senator, there's really no need to argue about whether or not he'd be stronger politically than Caroline Kennedy or Andrew Cuomo.  And if you think Caroline Kennedy would be a great Senator, there's really no need to argue about whethe or not you think she'd be stronger than Brian Higgins or Andrew Cuomo.  And so on.  There's every reason to believe that New York State Democrats can vote with their beliefs, rather than with their political calculations.  

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Blue shift | 6 comments
Great post, thanks. (0.00 / 0)
I especially agree that there is absolutely no reason to be cynical or calculating.

So, if Paterson is cynical or calculating, that will say something.  If he is honest and picks somebody he thinks will do the best job representing us, that will say something else. Am also inclined to agree with Bill Hammond's suggestion here:

Anyone who looks on the Senate as a long-term career or a steppingstone to higher office should be immediately disqualified. Ambitious politicians need not apply.

Instead, let everyone know you intend to appoint a placeholder. Someone who would solemnly promise, preferably in writing, to serve for two and only two years and not run for reelection in 2010.

Then the unseemly insider politicking and backbiting will stop, and the real campaign will begin. All who want the job - including Kennedy the daughter and Cuomo the son - can compete on a level playing field. In two years. The voters will get their say.

State law, after all, says nothing about the governor anointing a senator-for-life. It calls for him to make a "temporary appointment" until the next special election.

Let's make it truly temporary.

Paterson could find a respected elder statesman or stateswoman who will fight the good fight for a couple of years, then step aside. Not a seat warmer, but someone with political know-how and credibility who could effectively stick up for New York's interests in the coming battles over economic stimulus spending and the future of our shattered financial industry.



Bill Hammond (0.00 / 0)
Is probably the wisest observer of New York State politics that there is.  

[ Parent ]
Thank you! (4.00 / 2)
If the NY Democrats were really concerned about the future, as they probably should be as a matter of policy, they'd get one of those Upstate congressmen, like Michael Arcuri of the 24th CD, to take Hil's Senate seat.  An Upstate Democrat could probably hold that seat in perpetuity, and it would shut Republicans up with their "Congressman Soandso thinks New York ends at Westchester County," or similar nonsense, as was used (unsuccessfully) against Schumer by the D'Amato campaign.

Not only that, but having one Upstater and one from the City sounds like a good pairing, don'tchathink?


I think there's two separate political issues here: (4.00 / 1)
(1) Holding the Senate seat.

(2) Improving the overall health of the state party.

As far as (1) goes, there's nothing to worry about.  As far as (2) goes, I think that an upstater is a better choice.

What you say here is right on the money:

it would shut Republicans up with their "Congressman Soandso thinks New York ends at Westchester County," or similar nonsense, as was used (unsuccessfully) against Schumer by the D'Amato campaign.  


[ Parent ]
Dude seriously (4.00 / 1)
Michael Arcuri is horrible for the state, the country and he barely won re-election against a construction worker.

As an upstate, and unfortunately represented by that scumbag Arcuri. I would suggest that there are way better people to fill the seat - notably Byron Brown or Liz Holtzman. Hell I would support ANYONE over Arcuri! I think Cliff Crouch would make a good US Senator actually, might be able to help out farmers out a bit.

The most important thing that we should be talking about right now, is changing our laws. When a senate seat becomes vacant, we, the people of the state, should be able to elect the successor via special election.


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Arcuri's weak performance (0.00 / 0)
In the last election probably rules him out.  That is true.  

One thing I think gets a little overblown is having a Senator or Congressman "do something" for upstate.  I do believe that there are certain assets upstate has that elected officials in the area haven't promoted enough.  I'm thinking specifically of the wine industry and agro-tourism in the Finger Lakes (there may be lots of others as well, this is one I'm familiar with).  But what has hurt upstate most is probably a decline of our industrial sector and I don't expect that any government official could have done that much about it.  


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