UPDATED: WPIX: It's Gillibrand

Lieberman in pearls (4.00 / 1)

First of all, the endless waiting and dancing and leaking has been ridiculous -- Paterson hasn't look like a decisive leader in control, and none of this has reflected well on him.

Secondly, Gillibrand's positions on the war, guns, immigration, et al., are way out of the New York mainstream. This is a state which could easily elect a Ned Lamont. Instead we're getting Joe Lieberman in pearls.

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by: Hudson @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 00:41:56 AM UTC

says who? (0.00 / 0)

Gillibrand's positions on the war, guns, immigration, et al., are way out of the New York mainstream.

Are you sure?

Her positions aren't mine, but she certainly does represent the views of a lot of people in New York.

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by: NYCO @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 01:09:49 AM UTC

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Ask your fellow Dems (0.00 / 0)

We have a lot of people in New York, yes. But that's not saying much. The majority -- especially Dems -- would like limits on things like assault rifles, and a non-punitive approach to immigration. Just to pick a couple.

We have had in the past decade two Senators who ignored the overwhelming concensus of New Yorkers against the war. Schumer even admitted that he never got so much public comment on any issue other than the decision to invade Iraq, and that it was over 90% against doing so -- but he went the other way.

This is an overwhelmingly blue state. Paterson ignores that fact at his own peril.

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by: Hudson @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 02:03:35 AM UTC

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not (0.00 / 0)

It is NOT "overwhelmingly blue."  

Can we please have some facts along with our Democratic ideals?

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by: NYCO @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 02:33:23 AM UTC

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Facts? I've got facts for 'ya... (4.00 / 1)

Sure -- here are some facts, though you have offered none, except the word "not"...

* PRES 08: Obama 62%

* GOV 06: Spitzer 69%

* A.G. 06: Cuomo 58%

* SEN 06: Clinton 67%

* SEN 04: Schumer 71%

* Heck, even Alan Freaking Hevesi got 57% in 2006 for Comptroller.

These are all landslides by standard election measures... So lopsided, a number of them weren't even seriously contested (e.g. Schumer/Mills in 2004).

Seriously: Is there another state in the Union where all top six offices have been won by Democrts by a larger cumulative margin? (Rhode Island, maybe?) It just doesn't get much bluer than here, as a statewide matter.

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by: Hudson @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 02:50:30 AM UTC

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Ive been trying to make the same point (4.00 / 1)

Pretty much any Democrat is guaranteed around 53% in New York.  

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by: Sean @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 03:03:42 AM UTC

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Democratic landslides (0.00 / 0)

don't make us a 100% liberal state...I know a lot of conservatives in the Gillibrand mold who voted for all of the above.  

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by: nrafter530 @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 07:30:22 AM UTC

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Gillibrand voted multiple times for withdrawl from Iraq beginning ASAP. (4.00 / 1)

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by: Adama @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 01:31:53 AM UTC

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She voted to re-fund the war in May 2007 n/t (0.00 / 0)

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by: Hudson @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 02:51:40 AM UTC

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She also voted for the bill to begin troop withdrawls within 90 days at the same time. (0.00 / 0)

Virtually everybody voted to continue funding. That doesn't make her pro-war or a conservative Democrat.  

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by: Adama @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 04:11:37 AM UTC

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I spoke with her directly when she first ran (0.00 / 0)

From her own mouth: She claimed to oppose the war but also claimed she "couldn't" do anything about it and "had to" support it. She only became a tepid opponent once others made it safe for the cowering center-right Dems to jump on board.

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by: Hudson @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 04:39:57 AM UTC

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Is that way (0.00 / 0)

she ran ads opposing the war in 2006?

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by: nrafter530 @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 07:28:32 AM UTC

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P.S. I'll believe it when/if it happens (0.00 / 0)

Remember the Post definitively announcing Gephardt as Kerry's running mate...

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by: Hudson @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 00:42:39 AM UTC

Pix 11 (4.00 / 1)

that's too funny.

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by: Amherst Guy @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 01:07:02 AM UTC

Well, (0.00 / 0)

Gillibrand has been invited at 11, but so have all the other members of the congressional delegation...

But it's most likely Gillibrand.

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by: Historical Pessimist @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 02:01:36 AM UTC

Gillibrand (4.00 / 1)

IMHO if Patterson nominates Gillibrand he's DOA as the Democratic nominee for Governor.

What can we expect next -- DAP bringing Steve Levy on board as his  running mate?

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by: ElPocho @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 02:34:34 AM UTC

I'm sorry (0.00 / 0)

I know Steve Levy and he's not the xenophobic caricature everyone's been making of him.  

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by: nrafter530 @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 07:27:18 AM UTC

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Patterson would be smart to change his choice and QUICK (4.00 / 2)

Gillibrand is a pro-gun, mostly pro-life, anti-immigration Democrat.  The worst part is that no other Democrat can hold a Republican district like NY-20.  I expect Gillibrand to lose the primary in 2010.  

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by: Sean @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 02:38:45 AM UTC

It would be a mistake to underestimate her. (0.00 / 0)

Unless Maloney decides to burn the place down, winning a primary challenge would be an extreme long shot. Same goes for unseating Paterson unless something disasterous happens to him between now and then.  

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by: Adama @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 04:32:45 AM UTC

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Patterson would be smart to change his choice and QUICK (4.00 / 1)

Gillibrand is a pro-gun, mostly pro-life, anti-immigration Democrat.  The worst part is that no other Democrat can hold a Republican district like NY-20.  I expect Gillibrand to lose the primary in 2010.  

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by: Sean @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 02:38:46 AM UTC

Prove it (4.00 / 1)

Particularly on choice, with her A ratings from NARAL, PPFA, NOW, and EMILYs List.

It's OK for your guy or gal not to make it, but I think you are incorrect in your characterizations of her record.

And it isn't official yet.  So perhaps keep yer powder dry.

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by: Lead Dog @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 03:51:42 AM UTC

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Pro-life? (0.00 / 0)

WTF she's rabidly pro-choice...NARAL endorsed her.  

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by: nrafter530 @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 07:26:09 AM UTC

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