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Paterson/Kennedy = Spitzer/Bruno?

by: robert.harding

Wed Feb 04, 2009 at 08:56:33 AM EST


One thing is very clear: Eliot Spitzer and Joe Bruno never liked each other. That was evident during the Troopergate days and even now with both men out of the political limelight.

But in a New York Times piece today, Nicholas Confessore and Danny Hakim compare Spitzer/Bruno to the Governor David Paterson/Caroline Kennedy saga.

An administration leaks damaging information about a political figure. The leak is denounced by the governor, who says that he had nothing to do with it.

This is what happened during the tenure of Gov. Eliot Spitzer, whose aides disseminated information about state-financed travel in 2007 by Joseph L. Bruno, then the Senate majority leader. This led to condemnation of Mr. Spitzer, the resignations of some of those aides, and charges that some of the aides had violated the Public Officers Law, which sets standards for state officials' conduct.

It is also the story of what happened nearly two weeks ago after Caroline Kennedy withdrew her name from consideration for Hillary Rodham Clinton's Senate seat.

A review of public comments and interviews with more than a dozen people involved in the process make clear that Gov. David A. Paterson's administration released confidential information about Ms. Kennedy and misled reporters about its significance as part of an orchestrated effort to discredit her after she withdrew. But the governor is unlikely to face the legal scrutiny or numerous investigations that Mr. Spitzer did, even though he has acknowledged that the information about Ms. Kennedy should not have been released.

The article goes on to highlight the Paterson/Kennedy controversy, which included a few claims involving Kennedy's personal life from long ago.

One of the administration's central claims to reporters was that Ms. Kennedy had, in the words of a person close to the governor, "a definite tax issue" and "a nanny problem" that "she didn't want to become public."

But that story was inaccurate. The governor and his aides now acknowledge that those issues - a tax lien of a few hundred dollars in 1994, and a lapsed visa for a foreign nanny who worked for Ms. Kennedy during the late 1980s - had been resolved years earlier and were never considered disqualifying during the vetting process.

I don't think Paterson/Kennedy compares to Spitzer/Bruno. But I do think that the Paterson/Kennedy saga has been damaging to Paterson. Smearing Caroline Kennedy was the worst thing that he and his administration could do. Whether she was qualified to become a U.S. senator or not we could have debated for a long time. But smearing her like the Paterson administration did was wrong on many levels.

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Let it go (4.00 / 1)
Caroline Kennedy injected herself in the conversation, campaigned for the seat, then inexplicably dropped out of the running. She had been playing the press, the Democratic establishment, and the public to pressure the Governor for the seat because now, after 50 years avoiding the political spotlight, she wanted in. Center stage! That's not how it should work and Paterson made a good choice.

I don't think some anonymous comments from the Governor's staff constitutes a smear of the Kennedy name. My guess is that they think it was a mild response after the headache and media-fire storm Kennedy created during the selection process.

Caroline Kennedy will be just fine. We all need to get over it and let the Governor and his administration get back to what's really important and not worry that some poor-littler-rich girl's feelings were hurt.

Tax the Church.


How isn't it a smear? (4.00 / 1)
Apparently you are a great defender of Paterson's. That's fine. But when the governor's office knowingly spreads misinformation about someone, that is a smear. Kennedy's tax lien was small potatoes compared to the tax issues we are seeing now. She would have been fine. That issue was settled years ago. And the issue involving her nanny was also an issue long ago that was already settled. She had nothing that was outstanding against her.

Caroline Kennedy wasn't any different than other candidates who actively campaigned for the seat. Steve Israel actively campaigned for it. So did a few others. So you can paint this to the favor the governor, but almost everyone else who observed this knows better.


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Hm. ? (0.00 / 0)
Well, reporters have a way of bugging people who work in government, and, maybe they got somebody to say something off the record.  That CK did not want to disclose her tax records is public-- and, ya know, that is problem.  How much whoever said something knew about how serious or not what she didn't want us to see was... whatever.

Robert, you are conjuring some army of "observers" who agree with you, and I am not sure that they exist.  If they do, they should speak for themselves I guess.

Here's what I think: the Governor made a good choice, given all the complexities.  Given all those same complexities, CK would have been an awful choice.  And, given Obama's problems with bad vetting of cabinet officials, info about past tax and nanny problems with a new NY Senator would have played right into the "those limousine liberals are all tax cheats who hire illegals to watch their kids" right-wing soundtrack.  These aren't minor issues to working people.  They can move a Reagan Democrat back to voting Republican.

The NY Times is sometimes way too provincial for a Paper of Record.  This is one of those times.  Keep CK stories on your society pages, NYT.  If you are going to report about our Governor, make it about the people's business, not the socialites.


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Yes, I am imagining them... (4.00 / 1)
Robert, you are conjuring some army of "observers" who agree with you, and I am not sure that they exist.  If they do, they should speak for themselves I guess.

My line was clear: "So you can paint this to the favor the governor, but almost everyone else who observed this knows better."

Look, I'm not going to be an apologist for the governor. If you want to be, that's your choice. But I'm not going to sit here and pat him on the head. He dropped the ball on the senate selection process (if you picked up a newspaper, you would know that he was criticized by columnists, editorial boards and readers who wrote in to criticize him, as well as a few readers here) and he denied, at first, that it was office who leaked the information about Caroline Kennedy (when it was his office all along).

This isn't a matter of opinion. Paterson's office leaked the information about Caroline Kennedy. You can't debate it. He owned up to it (finally) and said that it was his office that did it. That was the right thing to do.

By the way, my "army of observers" can be found in the Siena poll that found 29 percent of those surveyed said that Paterson handled the senate selection process poorly. Another 33 percent said he did a "fair" job.

So yes, clearly I am alone in my thinking...


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OK. (0.00 / 0)
So a Sienna Poll that shows some general dissatisfaction with the Governor's process on picking a Senator bolsters your case about a NYT story about CK and the Governor's staff making comments you call "smears"?  Not so much.  

I'm sure you aren't alone in dwelling on CK.  People love to.  The issue is whether or not most of us here at TAP want to believe this is important in judging the Governor's overall performance or not.  I'm with Adama on this-- this is just not important.  Other things are.  And, as others have mentioned here, you get very defensive very quickly if people disagree with you.  Give folks a little space to hold differing opinions.


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You missed the real point here... (0.00 / 0)
The point isn't about Caroline Kennedy. You can say that I'm "dwelling" on her, but I'm not. My feelings on Kennedy were clear. I was never a fan of hers, so I don't know how I am "dwelling" over her. I would have been OK with her as senator, but she was definitely not my first choice (my posts on the matter prove that).

The point here is that this is about the governor's handling of this issue. That is what this post was about. Everyone is over Caroline Kennedy. No one is dwelling on her. But they are questioning the process and the governor's handling of it, which includes the smears (yes, they are smears) of Caroline Kennedy that were pushed by someone in his office.

I don't care if people disagree with me, robinia. But you have had a problem with me since I came here. Remember, it was you who decided to call my county chair merely because I challenged you. You have had a problem with me since my start here, so don't pin this on me. I don't care if people disagree with me or not, but I'm not going to sit down and shut up just to avoid debate.

And the comments here are clear: You called me out by name, told me I was conjuring up an "army of observers" and that's where it started between you and I. That is the chronological order of all this. It's right there for the world to see. So now because I chose to reply, I am "defensive" because people disagree with me. If I am defensive, it is only to defend my point. That is all.


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There's 70 different media accounts of what happened... (4.00 / 1)
Most of which are contradictory. Absent comment from the Governor, why do we assume that the media has any of it right? 90% of these stories could simply be junior staffers settling grudges or pretending to have a juicy scoop for the press.


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