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NY-20: Tedisco Making A List Of Absentees To Challenge

by: phillip anderson

Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 15:02:14 PM EDT


This story is starting to make a bit more sense now. I believe the key to understanding what the Tedisco campaign is trying to do lies in this story and, most importantly, in this one:

Attorneys representing Jim Tedisco and Scott Murphy met in court today to argue over a procedure for recanvassing voting machines and counting absentee ballots in the neck-and-neck race to replace Kirsten Gillibrand in Congress.

...

Brands may also rule on whether a federal stipulation stating no military and overseas ballots can be counted before April 13 applies to ballots cast by voters living in the United States.

Henry Berger, an attorney representing Murphy, argued that the counting of absentee ballots already cast and received by boards-there are about 6,000-should not  be delayed by the rule. He said his campaign is ready to start counting absentee ballots-if necessary, in all 10 counties-by tomorrow.

"We're ready to do it tomorrow or Wednesday," he said. "We will provide the staff and make sure we have people available in each of the 10 counties."

Republicans argued that no absentee counting should take place until the 13th.

"We think the count ought to be done fairly, we think every vote should count," said James Walsh, who, along with Michael Cuevas, represented Tedisco. "I don't think quick justice is good justice and I don't think quick counting is good counting."

The hearing was forced by John Ciampoli, who, on behalf of the Republican State Committee obtained an injunction impounding all paper ballots cast in the race.

It looks increasingly obvious what the Tedisco/Stone/Ciampoli game plan is. They are trying to delay the counting of absentee votes while they build a list of paper ballots to challenge. It will be much harder for them to challenge those ballots once they are opened and counted, so they are looking to delay that for as long as possible so that they can prepare a list of names to challenge before those ballots ever see the light of day.

Yep, that's got Roger Stone written all over it.

On the web: Protect NY-20.

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This is disgusting (4.00 / 2)
It's seriously making me sick to my stomach... How fucking evil are these people?

New Yorkers against Harold Ford

yup (4.00 / 2)
its clear they want to "poll" to figure which ballots to challenge and which to try to sustain.  The campaigns can tell who cast an absentee ballot, and they can challenge on various grounds that the envelope should not be opened.  If the ballot envelope is not opened, it is not counted.  Once the ballot is opened, it should be separated from the envelope, so that no one knows how that voter voted.  

After the envelope is opened then the ballot can be challenged on a number of grounds, but it is no longer that the voter was not permitted to vote, or that the ballot arrived too late etc.  

If you know a voter voted against your candidate, then you may try extra hard to keep that ballot out by preventing the envelope from being opened.  


Brilliant (4.00 / 2)
Probably legal too.

would it be legal (4.00 / 2)
to inform those you are contacting that this is an "exit poll"? i'm genuinely curious about that part.

TODAY is day one. It always is.

[ Parent ]
If you get called by a campaign... (4.00 / 1)
...find out who is making the call and tell them you voted for their guy -- you'll have both sides trying to make sure your vote is counted.

Let's be clear about one thing... (4.00 / 2)
The diarist wrote:

It will be much harder for them to challenge those ballots once they are opened and counted [...]

True, but let's be more specific about why, because it's important to understand.

The initial steps in the process are:

1. Election officials make sure than an absentee/military ballot comes from someone who did not vote on the machine;

2. Campaigns have an opportunity to challenge the opening of ballots based on the enclosing envelope: Is the name on the envelope that of a qualified voter? Is it properly postmarked? Does the signature appear to be valid? (NOTE: I think 99% of signature challenges are nonsense, since even people with relatively consistent penmanship vary their signatures, and the process of authentication is too subjective.) Is there evidence that the voter was in the County at the time, i.e. do they have a valid reason for voting absentee? Does the other information on the envelope meet other election law requirements?

3. The Board(s) rule on whether to uphold each challenge.

Then and only then are the envelopes opened. And here comes the important part: Once open, the ballots are separated for good from the enclosing envelope.

There is at this point (or at least there should be) no further reason for the identity and qualifications of the voter to come into the picture, for the obvious and simple reason that we have anonymous voting in the U.S.

At this stage, the next round of challenges can have to do only with the validity of the ballot itself, not the person casting it. Is the X or checkmark in the box? Are there stray marks or writing on the ballot (other than valid write-ins)? Is the ballot the correct one for that district?

In other words, once opened the campaigns are only looking at the ballots themselves in the abstract.

Honest campaigns will work to ensure that those who are reviewing them are clear about the standards by which they will be evaluated before this happens, and that those standards get applied uniformly without regard to whom the voter chose. But expect a lot of selective argumentation if the count stays close.


New York (4.00 / 1)
is one of the only states with a legal right to a secret ballot.

Its merely custom in most states. Until the mid 1800s, when we moved to the "Australian System", no states had secret ballots, and then many states still had open ballot options into the 1940s


[ Parent ]
If calling absentees to ask who they voted for (4.00 / 2)
is not illegal, it should be.

It certainly violates the privacy of the vote that Tedisco thinks is so important when it comes to a union organizing campaign.


They'll have the list of absentee voters, (4.00 / 1)
will the judges be told that the voters were phone-polled BEFORE THE VOTES WERE COUNTED, and will they know whose votes are being contested?
Sure stinks.

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