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Wobbly future for NY Dems?

by: simonstl

Tue Apr 07, 2009 at 05:40:49 AM EDT


I'm a little behind in getting to it, so this New York Times piece on divisions among Democrats may feel a bit last-month.

I worry, though, that the situation it describes still seems to be playing out:

With major elections approaching over the next year and a half, leading New York Democrats are expressing deep concerns that the party has been thrown into turmoil by competing personal agendas, ideological rifts and a leadership void.

Democratic politicians and strategists warn that the strife threatens to undercut not only any chance of remaining competitive in the race for City Hall this year, but hopes of holding on to the Governor's Mansion and a United States Senate seat in 2010.

At the heart of the problem, Democrats say, is a party that has been unable to maintain any semblance of cohesiveness (or, more bluntly, discipline) as its most prominent leaders either struggle with their own political misfortunes or stand on the sidelines.

I'm sure the question when it's asked in Albany is about discipline and how to restore (create) it. The question from out here is more about cohesion - what actually should bring Democrats together?

I find myself in a strange position. I'm a solid supporter of local and national Democrats, but I'm really not so much a supporter of our state's Democrats. The Republicans are awful, of course, and their weakness, if anything, seems to reinforce Democrats' worst behavior. There just isn't much in Albany political culture right now that seems worth saving. (I'll grant that the State Senate has some interesting new projects going on, and maybe they'll bear fruit.)

A few years ago, a friend explained to me that there really wasn't a State Democratic Party. There were several: one for the Assembly, one for the Senate, another for the Governor, and then others focused on Senate races. Any time those often conflicting pieces had to interact, even sometimes within the same person, chaos ensued. The details are different for the party in New York City, but somehow we just keep losing mayoral races there despite a massive registration advantage.

I don't see any white knights riding to the rescue, and after Spitzer, I don't get the sense that New Yorkers are exactly looking for a white knight. For a moment, Spitzer offered New Yorkers a vision of a better way to govern, but the substance was questionable and was, of course, swallowed up by scandal in any case.

Let's hope that Democrats can find more in common across New York State over the next few years. Maybe voters can find cohesion even if our party infrastructure has to settle for feuding camps.

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9-11 saved Bloomberg's bacon. (4.00 / 1)
Prior to that, he was trailing badly due to Rudy's massive suckage rubbing off, IIRC.  After 9-11, since Bloomie didn't right-out suck, incumbency kept him in office.  The job's probably his as long as he wants it, regardless of registration numbers.

The rest of this post is pretty much spot-on.  The only reason the Republicans don't have a lock on New York State is because they suck so bad, not because Democrats have their shit together, which they don't.


Excellent Post (4.00 / 1)
While I agree that there is a division between NYS democrats, I am not all that sure it is a bad thing. I view the NYS Democratic party as almost as dysfunctional as the whole of the NYS Legislative bodies. Maybe a division of a sort will help change the State Democratic party so that is best serves all Democrats. Having a open and honest debate on the direction of the Party only helps. The problem lies with people who see the Democratic party as their own personal plaything and use it to boost their own agenda and ego, instead of serving the NY Democrats.


I think we need someone, preferably the Guv (4.00 / 1)
to articulate a clear, coherent Democratic agenda for the State.  Not holding my breath, though

thank God (4.00 / 1)
that someone (ie you) has got the energy to think about the coming statewide election apocalypse (2010), because I sure don't.

All I see is lots of heat on the horizon, no light, and I'm wondering if I should bother writing about it at all.  Maybe the rest of 2009 is better spent contemplating what to do in 2011, and just taking a year off in between.

There's going to be no political oxygen to breathe in 2010, none.


I can't say I'm looking forward to 2010 (0.00 / 0)
At the state level, I'm in pretty complete political despair.

About the only bright spots I see right now are some transparency projects in the State Senate and the Attorney General's office.  That doesn't mean, however, that I'm especially fond of either our AG or our new State Senate.

The budget in particular seems to me like a disastrous postponement of difficult decisions, though it's not exactly surprising, either.

In the end, though, I'm thinking New York residents are just going to have to slog through.  The institutions we have seem designed mostly to trade favors while smothering anyone who challenges them.  Our one crazy effort at a white knight to break through that fell off his horse.  Too crazy.

There's still lots we can do, but it'll be slow, maybe even generational, change, with too many parties whose interest it is to block that change.


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We old peole can't be too slow-- (0.00 / 0)
because we just don't have that much time.... and I am SO TIRED of hearing that the future will be better because a bunch of really-clever 22-year-olds are going to solve everything.  Looks to me like we all have to pull-- and HARD-- together.

Hopelessness and being worn down are the age-old enemies of the agents of change in NY.  Of course, you are correct, slog through we must.  Place our hope in White Knights we can't (they are ALL flawed).  Be our own Jedi Knight we must (ok, I'll stop channeling Yoda now...).  But, seriously, despair is the enemy.  No matter how sorry-ass our elected champions turn out, we can't lose the vision of reform.  The capacity to resist and stand up to tyranny is a light that is kept lit among the people.  In the immortal words of Susan B. Anthony, "Failure is impossible."  Yes, even when you may not live long enough to see success.  Chin up!  As NYBri says, "We've got some work ahead of us."


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sorry, Robinia (4.00 / 1)
I didn't mean "generational change" as in "please bring in the 22-year-olds".

I meant it as "slow, but in the range of a typical human lifetime."  Slower than just slow, faster than glacial.

I probably just should have said twenty to fifty years rather than leaving it up to readers' imaginations.

That's not despair, for the long-term anyway.  Reform doesn't come easy in a state whose government has mostly ridiculed it for centuries.  But I'm definitely not looking forward to New York State politics, 2010.


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