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{ UPDATED x4 } NY-20: Urgent distress call from Columbia County

by: Hudson

Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 00:03:45 AM EDT


( - promoted by phillip anderson)

MEDIA UPDATE! The Times-Union has come around to reporting on the story here in Columbia:

http://www.timesunion.com/AspS...

Commendations to reporter Leigh Hornbeck for taking a second look, when evidence of a problem was brought to her attention.

HUMOROUS UPDATE: The Tedisco legal team has apparently been complaining that the reason the count is going so slowly is that they have to access data on the web, but the County won't allow outside access to its internet system, so they have to use slow satellite cards.

But take a close look at this photo in CCScoop. Check out what's on the screen of the guy with the laptop:

He's not accessing an online database -- that's the Drudge Report he's reading!

EVENING UPDATE: Check out what is being reported in The Hudson Register-Star on Friday:

Much more after the jump...

Hudson :: { UPDATED x4 } NY-20: Urgent distress call from Columbia County
http://www.registerstar.com/articles/2009/04/10/news/news01.txt

"Washington attorney and former President Reagan White House counsel David Nolan has been acting as a volunteer attorney for the Tedisco campaign [...] 'How I see it, is that Columbia County is make or break,' Nolan said Thursday night. 'I think we are over the top and have weathered the storm.' Nolan says the Republicans have been making most of the challenges over the past two days and the majority have been related to ballots from people who are registered to vote in Columbia County but whose driver's licenses state that they live in New York City."

There you have it from the horse's own mouth: Tedisco's own attorney states that Columbia is "make or break" for Tedisco, and "most of the challenges" are to people who vote here but have New York City ties.

Yet The Times-Union evidently has no interest in reporting this story. T-U reporter Leigh Hornbeck told me today (from the comfort of her desk in Albany) that she sees no reason to report on the Tedisco vote challenge campaign in what we now know his own campaign considers "make or break" Columbia County.

The article further notes that the number of votes challenged thus far is 93; the number of votes Murphy has received is 92. Eyewitnesses confirm what the article indicates above: that almost all but a handful of the challenges are from Tedisco's camp.

The T-U is missing the story that will determine the outcome of this race, one way or another.
PIC: Tedisco attorney who evidently didn't want to be photographed...

AFTERNOON UPDATE: I had an opportunity to get out of my office and visit the site of the absentee count and speak face-to-face with multiple observers. This morning Tedisco's attorney signaled their broader strategy: To go after absentee voters who have a second home in Columbia County who also have a rent-controlled or rent-stabilized apartment in New York City.

Given the high-stakes intensity of landlord-tenant disputes in NYC, this is potentially ugly stuff. In point of fact, voter status cannot be the sole criterion used to throw someone out of a rent-controlled apartment. However (speaking as someone who once did work for a citizens housing organization) many tenants are unaware of their rights. The threat of losing their apartment would terrify and chill many of these voters. But since such threats cannot actually be used to invalidate a legally-cast vote, the apparent consequences and intent of this action would be:

(1) To induce some absentee voters to disavow their ballots out of fear of losing their apartments;

(2) To intimidate people out of voting absentee or registering to vote here in the future;

(3) To punish Murphy voters with a major financial and legal headache - one they can win, but only if they have the tenacity and resources to fight for their own rights.

All around, this is a very disturbing admission by the Tedisco team -- that they are prepared to use intimidation of this type to scare off voters.

Moreover, two separate observers noted that the GOP legal team (at least 6-8 attorneys with laptops and crates of documents) is also challenging many non-second-home ballots, and allege that these voters are being profiled: They say voters with Latino or Jewish-"sounding" last names are being routinely challenged. This is a more subjective charge, but the allegation is made by more than one person present.

Only 9 more out of the fifty-plus EDs have been completed; no counting will take place until next Monday, so this will likely stretch to the end of next week. In some EDs, as many as 60% of absentees were challenged by the GOP. (Republicans who fit the above profiles are not being challenged by Tedisco.) The count in Tedisco-friendly Saratoga County is apparently far ahead. Despite the challenges, Murphy is still ahead in the County; and to their credit, the Murphy team has only challenged a handful of voters. Indeed, Murphy's lawyer proposed that they just count all the ballots, which the GOP wanted nothing to do with.

NOONTIME UPDATE: According to my second source, when the absentee vote count resumed Thursday morning at 8:30 am at 401 State Street in Hudson, Murphy's attorney delivered a blistering rebuke to his GOP counterpart -- putting him on notice of the potentially criminal aspects of his team's disenfranchisement strategy. Unperturbed, the GOP continued to challenge Democratic absentee voters from New York City, while letting Republican absentees from NYC go unchallenged. (There are more potentially explosive developments, but I am waiting for additional confirmation.)

        ------=== ORIGINAL DIARY ===------

I received an urgent distress call this evening [and have now confirmed this account with two more sources]. The message was loud and clear:

"You have to get the word out about what is really happening here with the absentees."

Here is the short version of the situation shaping up in Columbia, Murphy's strongest county in NY-20:

Tedisco's legal team is moving to disenfranchise an entire class of voters.

Specifically, virtually all ballots from Democrats who fit the profile of "second home owners" are being challenged -- and if the Board does not uphold the challenge, those ballots are being set aside, unopened, subject to a formal appeal by Tedisco. That is: They cannot be opened until a judge rules on them.

This GOP strategy is going to significantly depress Murphy's vote tally in Columbia, at least temporarily.

Those unfamiliar with Columbia County may not be aware that there has been, for many years, a large second home community here -- made up overwhelmingly, though not exclusively, of Democrats from New York City. Many of these voters have been here for many years, in some cases decades. As is entirely appropriate and legal, they have cast their ballots here without incident many times before, including just a few months ago for Barack Obama.

But as I'm hearing it, the Tedisco lawyer in Columbia (sent in by John Ciampoli) came prepared to challenge pretty much anyone who was a Democrat who had their absentee sent to a "downstate" address.

[Irony alert: As smartly pointed out in the comments by MinistryofTruth, Tedisco himself doesn't even live in the district! Yet he's challenging the residency of longtime home owners and voters here?]

Now, the legal precedent has been affirmed many times (see link in comments) on the State and Federal level that a person who owns more than one home can pick whichever of their homes' districts they want to vote in. The law is clear: You don't have to vote at your "primary" residence, where you file your main tax return. So long as you don't register and vote in more than one place, this is 100% legal. There are many good reasons for this: The right to representation where you pay taxes, the difficulty of determining primary residence, the fact that some professionals spend a large part of the year away from their main home, etc.

(How do I know this? Because for several years, I was deeply involved with a concerted effort to re-register these voters in Columbia County. We had the laws carefully reviewed by attorneys, and mailed out thousands of registration forms with legal backup.)

But Tedisco's team evidently wants to reverse that well-established legal principle, and is challenging Democratic second homeowners in Columbia wholesale. (They're also going after some students, apparently.) I don't know if they are doing this elsewhere, but Dutchess County similarly has a lot of weekender voters...

This is disenfranchisement of the most noxious variety, based on who you are, not based on valid and specific ballot defects.

The Democratic Commissioner Virginia Martin knows the law and reportedly is correctly denying challenges which are without merit and spurious. The Republican Commissioner is said to have initially agreed with her; but after being taken aside and harangued by the Tedisco "team," he evidently changed his tune and began siding with the challenges. (Tedisco's guy also took aside the two Republican inspectors charged with handling the ballots, and gave them an unidentified packet of information.) In the case of a 1-1 vote, the challenge fails; but Tedisco's lawyers then have the right to have these set aside and brought before a judge.

BOTTOM LINE: Even though Murphy picked up about 40 votes in Columbia already, that number would likely be double without the challenges. I am optimistic that this will be laughed out of court, but in the meantime we are not seeing the real numbers.

And since the challenges are chugging along so laboriously, the Columbia BOE only got through about 7 out of more than 50 districts today. This is going to take a while, and it is already getting ugly.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Normally I would not write such a diary based on a single distress call. But the caller happens to be someone I have known for well over a decade, with whom I have worked closely under stressful conditions over a sustained period of time, who has an impressive professional resumé, and whose judgment I know is sound. The person witnessed these events firsthand. I will certainly be seeking out further details and confirmation from a second source in the morning, but am confident enough of this source to get this news out right away. Certainly if anyone else has different information, have at it...

KEY UPDATE: I just spoke with two additional, equally-reliable sources present for these events, who confirmed the original caller's account in full.

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LINK: 2nd home voter rights recently upheld by court (4.00 / 4)
https://www.27east.com/story_d...

A New York State Appellate Court last month upheld the rights of second-home owners to participate in elections in the towns they live in part-time, as long as they renounce their voting rights elsewhere.


An excellent link: Coutryvote.org (4.00 / 1)
http://countryvote.org/sources...

This site has extensive information on the right to determine one's own residency for the purpose of voting. The link above has a detailed run-down of many legal precedents backing up the voters' ability to vote from the second (or even third) homes.


[ Parent ]
Columbia County absentees (4.00 / 3)
The Murphy campaign ought to make a call to the NYS Board of Elections tomorrow, and have that agency call Columbia County and straighten out the Republican commissioner.  Best to put an end to this crap pronto, because Columbia is huge for Murphy, and they still have 51 of 58 districts yet to count.

Oh, the irony... (4.00 / 6)
A commenter at Daily Kos pointed out an irony I should have noted:

Tedisco doesn't even live in the district himself!

Yet he's challenging the residency of 100% valid voters?


saw that (4.00 / 3)
and they said irony was dead...

TODAY is day one. It always is.

[ Parent ]
Does this only apply to unoppened ballots (4.00 / 2)
does his 40 vote gain there today from 7 pcts still stand?  

Any ballots opened (4.00 / 1)
are have already been counted and have not been challenged.  I don't believe there's any reason for them not to stand.

New Yorkers against Harold Ford

[ Parent ]
Jrathman is correct (4.00 / 1)
I gather the tally of opened ballots was something like 53-13. Murphy's gain could have been something like double that if the challenges were opened, too.

[ Parent ]
Yeah, this is "stonewalling" at its worst... (4.00 / 4)
In principle, there is no difference between the status of weekenders and snowbirds.  (Both of them have two residences.)  So if the Tedisco camp were being consistent, then they would seek to exclude all ballots mailed to a FL, or NC, or AZ address, from all 10 counties.  But of course they're not doing that.

And of course this kind of tactic ends up disenfranchising a lot of Republican voters, too.  (Many of the weekenders are hedge fund manager types who might vote Republican on economic grounds.)


So get fly in Elias (from MN and start challenging! n/t (4.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
Great on-the-ground diary (4.00 / 6)
Good to know the law is on Murphy's side, so now let's get the traditional media to pick up on this.

Happy to agree with you on something, Dev. (4.00 / 4)
Have a rec!

[ Parent ]
Here's a local newspaper account of the matter... (4.00 / 1)
If The Law Is Clear.... (4.00 / 1)
If the law is so clear, I'm not sure I see the concern. Unless the judges refuse to follow clear law, this whole issue will be resolved in the appropriate, if not terribly timely, manner. Either side can waste time appealing through the judicial process, but that's the consequence of living in a society where people have the right to do such things.

The only concern is that we may not see the "real" numbers for a while. That's a PR issue. Partisans can spin and pose, but the ultimate result won't change. (See charges that Franken is "stealing" the election in Minnesota, which doesn't seem to have gained much traction despite many frivolous Coleman challenges.)

Also, the number of ballots in dispute may not be enough to tip the election after all the other absentee and overseas ballots are counted, so the whole issue may be moot. I'm not saying not to take every vote seriously, since these votes may indeed matter. But right now, I don't see the problem with letting both sides preserve their rights and challenges through the legal process, especially if the legal principle is "well-established."


Here is why it is a concern to me. (4.00 / 1)
Though I am guardedly optimistic that in the end the GOP disenfranchisement strategy will fail, my concerns (having been through absentee and other election disputes before, and had campaigns to court in several instances)...

(A) It takes a lot of energy and money to defend these voters' rights;

(B) Tedisco benefits from suppressing the vote, even temporarily, in his least favorable county, allowing him to maintain a pretense of being in the running or even on top;

(C) The New York State Courts are unpredictable, to put it politely. I have seen some truly rotten and bizarre rulings on election (and other) matters go down. If that happens, Murphy would presumably eventually be able to appeal to some court with its head on straight.

(D) As in the Coleman situation in Wisconsin, the Tedisco strategy may not ultimately succeed, but it might keep Murphy out of Congress for a while until these matters play out. Since Congressional terms are only two years, and we're already into the fourth month of the term to be filled, the GOP game may just be to limit the Democrats' ability to benefit from incumbency.

There is also another more disturbing aspect to the Tedisco game which I was tipped to this morning, and am just waiting to nail down the details. Stay tuned.


[ Parent ]
certainly (0.00 / 0)
But surely the Democrats can't be taken completely by surprise that Tedisco would play the old upstate-downstate card?  NY-20 is ground zero for that sort of thing, is it not?

Also, I can't help but ponder the subtle ways in which second-home owners (of any political persuasion) have to be on less firm power footing now that Wall Street has, pardon the expression, "gone South"...


[ Parent ]
Surprise isn't the issue. (4.00 / 1)
That these GOP tactics are not surprising doesn't make them less important to combat.

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I Appreciate The Concerns, But.... (0.00 / 0)
The dispute may take energy and money, but the legal issue seems pretty straightforward. If the dispute is pretty simple both on the facts and the law, there's really not much reason for this dispute to take much time. And I'd think the courts would be fairly eager to fast-track a case where people are being deprived of any representation at all in Congress.

And again, the whole issue may be mooted depending on how the other votes turn out. If the disputed ballots can't overcome the resulting totals, then it should just go away. In the meantime, both sides are going to try to preserve the rights they have in case it doesn't.

And sanctions should be imposed on lawyers if they're pursuing truly frivolous claims.


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Well, at this rate... (0.00 / 0)
... It's going to take a long time.

The Columbia County process will take at least through the end of the coming week, unless the Tedisco folks change their strategy and stop taking a half-hour to challenge every single weekender.

I don't know how other counties are progressing.

But then comes the court challenges.

I too think Murphy will win eventually. But even more than a Murphy win, I am interested in seeing voting rights protected, and an end to the intimidation of people in my area who have had their right to vote where they have a home challenged.


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Just politics (0.00 / 0)
The Tedisco people are just doing what a good attorney should do for their candidate in this situation..nothing shocking here. I would hope Murphy's people have IDed the "snowbirds" and are using similar tactics. If the NYC weekenders have "most recently" registered in Columbia County then the ballots will ultimately be counted. The odds are thatthere will be some minority (maybe 10%?) who messed up and aren't registered on Columbia. Those ballots will be disqualified and score one for Jimmy Tedisco. Alls fair I guess. :)

Maybe in a banana republic (4.00 / 3)
"Just politics "
  Maybe in a banana republic, where mass disenfranchisement of marked groups is common.  Do you accept that in CD 20?  It's not "Just policics"-  it's contemporary Republicanism (so far, anyway.)

"The Tedisco people are just doing what a good attorney should do for their candidate"  
  A good attorney represents his client in consideration of the laws and the legal precedent of higher courts.  Unless there is grounds to challenge the former decisions of former courts decisions (which there is not), the attorneys are unethical, not good.  

This is not about the law.  It's abuse of our legal system as a PR stunt to add fuel to the Limbaughnian movement targeted to the ignorant, as it was from the get go when Tedisco made preemptive  allegations that the election was being stolen.  

Or is it something else?  Perhaps preemptive propaganda to discredit challenges against all of the Republican operatives who may suddenly have become John Sweeney's Clifton Park roommates so they could vote in the district?  Time will tell, and my guess is that it won't be a short amount of time.  


[ Parent ]
Limbaughnian= Stonain= .. (4.00 / 1)
Limbaughnian= Stoneain= Rovian=  Caputoian= Farleyian=  Sweeneyian=  Tedisconian=  one of the key reasons the Republican party has been abandoned by decent, ethical, intelligent citizens of NY20.  

Just politics?  Oh yeah, thanks for reminding us that Klintun got a bj and Spitzer needed a spitter.

I'm with Tedisco on this one.  "I am committed to making sure that every legal vote is counted."  It's too bad he isn't with himself.  


[ Parent ]
... (0.00 / 0)
I'm not sure how this will lead to mass disenfranchisement. If the Downstate absentee voters have registered in Columbia County then they have no problem. This will be established (no doubt by the Murphy people) and their votes will count ultimately.

We have an adversarial judicial system in this country and each side will mount their challenges. But unlike a Banana Republic, you have a Democratic and Republican elections official sitting there to make sure that it is handled legally.

My assumption is that there will be some small percentage of people that have voted in error. They probably will be found to have more recently re-registered Downstate (perhaps to vote in last years elections) or they will be found to have neglected to register in Columbia County at all. Would it be good for the Democratic system for there to be no scrutiny and for those illegal votes to be counted?

Now there are probably 'shaky areas' where 'over scrutiny' of the ballots may lead to legitimate votes being thrown out. New York is notorious for invalidating signatures in petition drives (for ballot inclusion), etc. But I don't see a simple challenge of residency and voter registration status as being particularly sinister.


[ Parent ]
There is a new wrinkle... (4.00 / 2)
... which I hope to report on this evening, which puts this far out of the realm of a benign, harmless challenge strategy. More later.

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fascinating (4.00 / 1)
I must say this is a fascinating development.  Goes right to the heart of some deep and real fractures in the polity.  

It doesn't seem like Tedisco will be successful if he is trying this, though.


Sadly this is not surprising (4.00 / 2)
I suspected that was the area they were challenging based on your comments last night.

They ought to lose this challenge but Republicans work hard at finding every crack and crevice in the law so we'll see what they do here. Remember that they won Bush v. Gore and kept Florida state law regarding recounts from being followed. They are dragging out Minnesota as far as they can.

The Republican Party has no respect for the rule of law or the will of the voter.

They will do whatever they can, how ever they can, to seize power and retain power.

This is exactly the reason why they are losing elections left and right across this country. This is exactly why solidly Republican NY-20 is voting for Democrats these days. Our Republican neighbors are, with few exceptions, very good, decent, honorable people that do not respect this behavior on the part of Tedisco and the Republican Party anymore than we do. Tedisco and the Republican Party do not represent the values of the people of NY-20.

All the Republicans are really going to achieve by these actions is to alienate even more voters.

The Republican Party is a truly sad and pathetic organization of losers.

Peace,

Andrew
 


Agreed. (4.00 / 1)
Ultimately, this should hurt the GOP -- if and only if these tactics are brought to the public's attention, and results in a backlash.

(Note that the lazy Times-Union has expressed zero interest in covering these developments.)


[ Parent ]
I'm somewhat surprised the TU (0.00 / 0)
hasn't picked up on this story as they generally enjoy a good mud slinging fight in NY-20. I had to laugh during the NY-21 primary when they and other traditional media outlets expressed how boring... i.e. friendly... the primary contest between the various Democrats was.

Do you know if the TU had anyone covering the Columbia County fight? In person or via phone? I am hoping they'll have something in tomorrow's paper... a mention at least!

In any event, thank you very much for keeping us informed of what's been going on. Just another sign of why more and more people are getting their news from the internet and not traditional media sources.

Peace,

Andrew


[ Parent ]
The law is perfectly clear--dual residents can choose where to vote (4.00 / 1)
The Republicans have got to know they're going to lose these challenges.  Our side has 25 years of case law in New York backing the rights of dual residents--including second homeowners and weekenders, to choose where to register and vote, regardless of which home is their primary residence.

Just a few months ago, the Appellate Division covering NY-20 confirmed this rule and specifically stated that people who may live in NYC most of the time can still register and vote from their upstate homes.  See http://ny.findacase.com/resear...

The New York Times ran a story on this: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11...

And there's even a website dedicated to this issue: www.CountryVote.org.

These voters registered upstate based on the clear rule that they're allowed to do so.  The election officials agreed that these voters were legitimate, registered them, and sent them absentee ballots...to their NYC addresses, no less.  The Republican lawyers' attempt to invalidate these votes is recklessly ignorant at best, and sanctionable at worst.


Quick Correction (4.00 / 3)
The Appellate Division, Third Department, only covers MOST of NY-20.  Dutchess County is in the Second Department.  Not coincidentally, that's where the Republicans are suing.

[ Parent ]
Friendlier judges... (0.00 / 0)
... in Dutchess, as I understand it.

[ Parent ]
(Friendlier to the GOP) n/t (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
Another angle (4.00 / 1)
Didn't the statewide voter registration database, mandated by HAVA, fix this problem?  I know that sounds naive, but the database was used to kick hundreds of thousands of people off the voter rolls across the state, either because they had died, or moved, or failed to vote, etc.

It seems to me that that purge should have taken care of people who are registed in, say, Columbia County as well as NYC, and are trying to vote in both places.  If they weren't purged from Columbia County rolls, that would mean they weren't voting anywhere else (in NY state, that is).

In addition, if they survived the purge, it also means that their voter registration in Columbia County is perfectly legal.

Answer that, Ston-- I mean, Tedisco!


Legallly registered voters have nothing to fear (0.00 / 0)
If the above is true then these challenges will ultimately fail.

On the other hand, if a handful of Downstate Democratic absentee voters did vote improperly, then they should be flushed out. There is nothing undemocratic or illegal about that.

All improperly registered voters should be disqualified. It actually disenfranchises those who voted properly (of both parties) when you have people voting who don't belong in the district legally.  

But yeah some improperly registered Downstate Republican absentee voters could theoretically slip through if the Murphy lawyers didn't come prepared to challenge them.

If the Murphy people didn't come prepared to use the same hardball tactics then maybe he should consider firing his lawyers and advisors.  


[ Parent ]
There is a difference... (4.00 / 1)
between "hardball tactics" and crookedness.  It's about time the right-wing nuts learned that difference.

Politically, the fact that the right wing hasn't learned that difference is why they are so far out of power.  After a while, even stealing elections stops working, because voters understand what's going on in large enough numbers to overcome the worst that arrogant, self-deluded powermongers can muster up.


[ Parent ]
Absolutely right (0.00 / 0)
I am completely against Democrats stooping to using Republican tactics to win elections. I frankly won't support Democrats that do.

But that does not mean laying down without a fight. There are plenty of perfectly legal and ethical ways to win political battles even against those willing to do use illegal and unethical tactics.

In the long run doing the right thing always defeats doing the wrong thing.

Peace,

Andrew


[ Parent ]
Putting time on your side (4.00 / 2)
I've been thinking about this, and, to me, this is not a ploy that is aimed at winning the special election.  It is about how (and, WHEN) the eventual special election winner is portrayed as a candidate in the general election to follow.

For starters, the longer this drags out, the less time the winner has to be an incumbent who will run for re-election in the general.  That in and of itself is huge, especially for Murphy who isn't in another elected position while waiting on court decisions.

Then, there is the story-- if the second home owners are segregated as a group for a disenfranchisement attempt, even if it is clearly, obviously, soundly within the law for them to choose to vote at their upstate home, some people will resent it.  The story is then told as "Murphy won ONLY because a bunch of downstate second-home owners registered upstate in order to vote for him."  That's doubtless not true-- most have probably been voting upstate for years-- but it makes a great story for whipping up divisive feelings.


Those who earn in NY- but do their real living and spending upstate (4.00 / 1)
"The story is then told as "Murphy won ONLY because a bunch of downstate second-home owners registered upstate in order to vote for him."  

Aren't there a lot of people who work and earn one place-  but who bring their earnings to a local economy and have second homes where they can live a better quality of life and make civic contributions?  Can we reframe the myth of upstate xenophobia that Republicans love to throw fuel on?


[ Parent ]
Beyond the election at hand... (4.00 / 1)
... I think the point of this GOP push is their usual belief that they "motivate their base" whenever they can spread resentment... even though that has been mostly a losing approach since about mid-way through Bush's second term.

Their problem is that this tactic has resulted in their "base" not expanding at all in recent years; that Democrats got even more energized as the GOP scandalized us with these tactics; and most importantly, open-minded independent voters get turned off.

In a way, the best thing that can happen over the long term for progressives in New York is that the GOP doesn't wise up that they need to drastically change their tone/tactics. But in the meantime, the outrages they perpetrate remain offensive, and need to be exposed/combatted.


[ Parent ]
... (0.00 / 0)
Well I'm sure it would have the effect of increasing resentment toward the second homeowners, but I do think Tedisco's #1 goal here is to win the election. Maybe there are ulterior motives as well.

It won't take that much to whip up resentment toward second home owners. You can drive through that part of the Hudson Valley and see the 'haves' (in their lovely restored weekend farmhouses, etc.) and the 'have-nots' (the original locals, or descendants thereof) who live in the much more modest middle class places on an acre or two. But it was these locals that sold their family farms and land to the NYC people and thus they get what they sowed. That was capitalism at work! and it increased economic stratification in the region even. This despite the fact that apparently many of the second home owners are rather liberal in their voting patterns. Oh the irony of it all....


Ethically challenged if not legally improper (0.00 / 0)
So let me get this straight...  People from NYC lead the City Dept. of Housing etc. to believe that they are primary residents of their apartment in order to keep their rent control/stabilization status. At the same time they tell the board of elections Upstate that their residence is there and therefore they should be allowed to register and vote there.

Hmmm ...  doesn't this seem a bit improper? For the purposes of this election it won't matter as long as they are legally registered in the 20 CD, but this seems a bit ethically challenged if you ask me.

Hey I understand the motivations and we all look for some loophole to scam the system I guess, but this isn't exactly above board and honorable.  


Sorry, you're missing a key distinction: (0.00 / 0)
* To be eligible for rent control/stabilization in NYC, you may need to establish that apartment as your primary residence;

---- HOWEVER ----

* To vote upstate, you do not need to establish your second home as your primary residence. This has been upheld repeatedly in the courts.

So one can readily do both without any ethical or legal contradiction.

Repeat: Where you vote does not have to be your primary residence. You could have fourteen residences like John McCain, and pick any of them as the place where you wanted to vote -- so long as you only vote in one place.

Anyway... What are the "ethics" of someone who runs to represent a district he doesn't even live in?


[ Parent ]
... (4.00 / 1)
One could have asked the same of Hillary in 2000 I guess...

Personally I would have run Faso for the 20th CD, but Tedisco had it all locked up before there was even a fair contest.

I guess the real ethical question then is creating a loophole that lets people continue in their rent controlled apartments indefinitely even while they have the bucks for weekend homes, etc. But that is another issue and unrelated to this thread.  


[ Parent ]
I would think that the number of people living in a rent-controlled NYC apartment (4.00 / 1)
AND also having an upstate second home is not a huge percentage of the electorate.

[ Parent ]
Murphy now ahead (4.00 / 2)
New totals posted on the NY State Board of Elections site show Murphy up by 8 - Columbia County keeps coming through.  

There is nothing yet from Saratoga.  I hope someone challenged Tedisco's wife's vote.


No paper results yet from Saratoga (4.00 / 1)
Saratoga County is apparently not going to release any numbers until they are done counting. Tedisco will likely makes gains there, but it's doubtful that it will counter all of the Murphy gains. Murphy's home areas of Warren and Washington are yet to come also. So we'll likely see Murphy pull ahead pretty well and the suspense will build if Saratoga holds back all their results until the end. The final tie-breaker will be the military ballots I guess.

But then again, the litigation may be just beginning at that point.  


[ Parent ]
A bit confused from the diary (0.00 / 0)
"The count in Tedisco-friendly Saratoga County is apparently far ahead. Despite the challenges, Murphy is still ahead in the County."

Would this be Saratoga or Columbia County that Murphy's leading in? Given that the issue at hand seems to be in Columbia and Saratoga's released nothing, it was just a little unclear to me which one was being referred to.


Update x 3 link for your convenience... (0.00 / 0)
http://www.registerstar.com/ar...  
relates to:

"Washington attorney and former President Reagan White House counsel David Nolan has been acting as a volunteer attorney for the Tedisco campaign [...] 'How I see it, is that Columbia County is make or break,' Nolan said Thursday night. 'I think we are over the top and have weathered the storm.' Nolan says the Republicans have been making most of the challenges over the past two days and the majority have been related to ballots from people who are registered to vote in Columbia County but whose driver's licenses state that they live in New York City."

Interesting article.


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