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NY-20: Nate Silver: Tedisco 'Bound For Defeat'

by: phillip anderson

Wed Apr 15, 2009 at 11:23:57 AM EDT


There are two new analyses of the absentee ballot count this morning and both of them reach the same conclusion, namely that Jim Tedisco's Assembly Escape Plan is doomed.

The first comes from Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight. Silver notices what should be readily apparent to anyone paying attention to the recount thus far: Murphy is overperforming his election day results with the absentees. He also predicts that Tedisco is "bound for defeat" and has roughly a 1 in 500 chance of fleeing Albany for DC.

Although Republican candidate Jim Tedisco is leaving no stone unturned in the special election in New York's 20th Congressional District -- including objecting to the ballot of Kirsten Gillibrand, the woman whom he hopes to replace in the Congress -- the results tallied so far suggest that he is bound for defeat.

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What this means is that Murphy is in fact overperforming among absentee ballots, as we and other observers anticipated that he might. In fact, the pattern has been rather predictable. Take a look at the following table:

Four counties -- Greene, Rensselaer, Delaware, and Essex -- have completed processing their absentee ballots. In each of those counties, Murphy received between 2.7 percent and 3.4 percent more of the vote among absentees than he did on Election Day. Although the pattern is a bit more irregular in counties that are only partially done with their count, we feel safe in saying that Murphy has some systematic advantage here.

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We project Murphy to pick up roughly 500 additional votes once all absentee ballots have been counted. That would give him an overall win by somewhere between 500 and 600 votes.

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This version of the model posits a larger gain for Tedisco in Saratoga County -- a net of 132 votes rather than 33 as projected by the algebraic analysis. On the other hand, it projects a much larger gain for Murphy in Columbia County, where the absentee returns were disproportionately Democratic and where he has received more than two-thirds of the absentee ballots processed thus far. Overall, the "advanced" model projects almost exactly the same result -- about a 500-vote gain, and 550-vote win, for Murphy.

I am candidly a bit unsure about how to calculate the standard error for a forecast such as this one, but it appears to be, using conservative assumptions, roughly +/- 190 net votes. That would imply a 95 percent confidence interval of between Murphy +173 and Murphy +913, and that Tedisco has only about a 1-in-500 chance of prevailing.

As I said last night, it's pretty obvious what Tedisco's challenge every ballot startegy is all about. He's falling behind with every new count, so he's trying to keep as many votes out of the tallies as possible to make the race appear to be artificially closer than it really is. When those challenged ballots are ruled valid, and the vast majority of them will be, he and the rest of the GOP will complain that a judge or ACORN or the tooth Fairy or George Soros stole the election. Bank on it.

The second analysis comes from the folks at at Campaign Diaries and it very much echoes Silver's findings.

Now, remember what I calculated last week: Counties where Murphy performed well are dramatically over-represented in the absentee ballot count. If every county's absentee ballot count is exactly the same as the Election Day count, Murphy would net a decisive number of votes. Put otherwise: Since Murphy's strongholds make up a disproportionate share of absentee ballots, Murphy needs to do nothing else than secure the same percentage among absentee ballots as he did on Election Day in each county, while Tedisco needs to over-perform to offset the absentee ballots' unfavorable geographical distribution.

And yet, we now learn that not only is Tedisco not improving his score - but that it is Murphy who is drawing better results than he was Election Night! Sure, we should not draw any conclusions before we get a sense of the trend in Saratoga: if Tedisco overperforms among absentee ballots in the district's biggest county, he could make up for losses elsewhere. But he would have to do so decisively considering that Saratoga only represents 27% of the total number of absentee ballots - compared to 36% of the ballots cast on Election Day. In short: Murphy has every reason to be (cautiously) optimistic.

All this adds up to bad news for Tedisco and I'm not sure his campaign can withstand much more of it. The move to challenge Senator Gillibrand's ballot was beyond stupid, both tactically and strategically. After days of Democrats and other observers raising the alarm about hundreds of frivolous ballot challenges from Tedisco's lawyers, the Tedisco camp handed the press a perfect example with which to run. This will be referenced over and over as Team Tedisco moves into the "they stole it" phase over the next 10 days or so.

As a reporter emailed me yesterday, "Things don't seem to be breaking well for JT."

You can say that again.

On the web: Protect NY-20.

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NEW NUMBERS! (4.00 / 3)
Latest figure from the state BOE: Murphy up by 168.  So even granting Disco's claim that they have 120+ in Saratoga, and even granting that none of the challenged ballots are counted, Murphy still looks like a lock (esp. given that Washington County has not yet reported any paper ballots).

EVEN NEWER NUMBERS! (0.00 / 0)
The State BOE now has Murphy up by "just" 86 votes -- which is paradoxically stupendous news for the Democrat, because this number now includes the much-feared results from Tedisco's Saratoga County stronghold.

Tedisco only picked up about 160 votes in Saratoga, while Murphy gained about 80 in Washington.

Tedisco needed to do better than that. He is in big troubled.


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Not big trouble (4.00 / 3)
Toast.

He's done. 163 net out of Saratoga. He can't recover. It's over.


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it was over a long time ago (4.00 / 1)
If this was about counting votes, Tedisco would have conceded election night. This is about Tedisco continuing his campaign strategy of making himself look as bad as possible so he poisons the well for any future run for office. He'll concede when he realizes that.

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Nate Silver has (0.00 / 0)
an excellent track record in these matters.

So, after the votes are counted and Tedisco's lawyers go home, the 20th's new Member of Congress will be Scott Murphy.


Win or lose, Republicans are trying to gain in the longer term of public opinion (4.00 / 2)
When those challenged ballots are ruled valid, and the vast majority of them will be, he and the rest of the GOP will complain that a judge or ACORN or the tooth Fairy or George Soros stole the election. Bank on it.

Exactly, at least, IF those challenged ballots are ruled valid.  (Bear in mind that the Republicans have already done their judge shopping.)  

Keep in mind that if a single person believes those dishonest Republican allegations of a stolen election, that they have gained in the arena of public opinion.  And we know that it's that wrong public opinion of the longer term that win elections for them, and is the reason we are discussing this election today.  

Of course more than one person will buy into the dishonest Republican allegations.  One might argue that 80,000 just did.  I'm not just talking about the 17% talk radio nuts either.  When we canvass or talk politics with others, how often do we hear, "No good crooks on both sides!"  How often do we see such attitudes turn to disenfranchisement via apathy that results when people have been turned off to the process, and where "politics" has become less than polite dinner table discussion?  

Now that the cat is out of the bag, I can share that I knew on March 31 that Murphy was destined to win through a valid absentee voter program.  The Republicans now know that as well, so what are they up to?  

1)  They may think they can steal the election in a court where they have the advantage of their "pizza stain" judge.  

2)  They may be working toward building more of that dishonest public opinion.

3)  Both-  and both are the way today's Republicans do business, for they have no proven ability to govern or anything else in their favor.

4)  Something else?  No, I don't see it, and don't believe that there is any honest ground on which they can build a win.  


then it's massive fail (4.00 / 2)
As far as long term public opinion goes, the Republicans are killing themselves. Dragging out the election is transparent. Challenging Gillibrand's ballot is jumping the shark.

There's a reason why candidates who lose a close race concede and come back next election. Bringing in the lawyers brands you as a naked opportunist in the public eye.

The Murphy-Tedisco rematch in 2010 will be a cakewalk.

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Different take (4.00 / 1)
I think there will be no Murphy-Tedisco rematch.  Remember, the only way that this comes out the way it appears to be coming out is that Jimmy lost a 21 point lead in a district with a large Republican enrollment advantage.

I can't be certain, of course, but my gut feeling is that the real, responsible Republicans of the vicinity have had about more than enough of narcissistic Jimmy Disco.  This is, indeed, massive fail-- I'd look for the Republicans to respond with a housecleaning, including moving out the Saratoga old guard committee-- and come back next time around with a fresh young face.

Which is why it is ok with the national party to let Tedisco do some of their dirty work on his way out-- nothing to lose there.


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Agreed (4.00 / 1)
If they have anyone with a combination of smarts and eergy they'll clean house and come back at us fresh and strong.

This tired, old and weak stuff they've been throwing at us the last few election cycles isn't getting them anywhere.


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Well, yes (4.00 / 1)
But you could have said that each of the last few election cycles. This is what they've got.

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Rematch Doubtful, Saratoga still unclear (0.00 / 0)
I noticed on the BOE website that Saratoga County hasn't even given updated machine totals. Look at the chart and notice that there is no asterisk next to the machine or paper ballots columns for Saratoga County.

Link:  http://www.elections.state.ny....

So who knows what will come out of Ballston Spa in the next day or two.

As to a rematch, I doubt it. Someone like John Faso might get the nod. If they had picked Faso this time, things would have been less slanted toward Murphy in Columbia County. I also highly doubt if he would have gone that negative campaign route.

But that being said, absent some type of backlash against Obama in 2010, Murphy as an incumbent would be favored to prevail.  


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I take your point (0.00 / 0)
We'll find out how much juice Tedisco has left, now that he's lost this race and isn't Minority Leader.

Does he fade into the woodwork and settle in as an Assemblymember? Could be. But if he's going to fade, why not run for Congress, win the primary, lose to Murphy again and fade to some lucrative non-elected job. Then he and the district part ways and new blood can step up.

Not the savviest thing, but it's the easiest thing. And easy and dumb has an appeal that savvy and hard doesn't.

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No rematch (0.00 / 0)
Jimmy Disco would have to quit his cushy day job to run in a regular election in 2010.  No chance.

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PANIC! at Teh Disco! (4.00 / 3)
It just had to be said.

Judge Brands may make rulings today? (2.00 / 2)
The Times-Union is reporting this:
http://blogs.timesunion.com/ca...

LOL at Times Union (0.00 / 0)
The only decent coverage of this entire election has been by Jimmy Vielkind, who posted his story about the rulings at 12:17.  

http://www.politickerny.com/ta...  
http://www.politickerny.com/30...
If I had 5 more minutes I'd put it in a diary.

Yes, the pizza stain judge has ruled on 2 of the 3 issues-  but not the big one,
1)  the definition of residency (which should have been a cinch since there is so much case law to support the Dems position)

The pizza guy did rule that:
2)  Absentee ballot applications can not be used as part of the process to discredit absentee ballots.  That's a no-brainer since the BOE can either send back an absentee ballot, or return the application before the election, both of which leave options to vote open for the voter.  

3)  When both commissioners rule to accept a ballot, election inspectors can't reject the same, seemingly another no brainer, although I haven't studied the "O'Keefe procedure"

Bottom line-  At least some of the objected ballots will be counted starting Monday, but we won't know about the residency thing before mid-next week.  Do you suppose Judge Brands decision might be influenced by what happens between now and then?   I doubt he would further discolor his tarnished reputation if a Murphy win is inevitable regardless his ruling.  And if his decision can cause a win for Murphy, his reputation might not make any difference if Disco will care for his future.  That's the way Republicans do business.


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An interesting angle... (4.00 / 2)
A lawyer friend offered an interesting observation yesterday--  the Republicans may have been clever in filing their court case in Dutchess County, where they hoped to find a friendly judge.  But because they brought their case that far south in the district, any appeal would then go to the next higher court in Brooklyn, and that court would be very unlikely to be sympathetic to the idea of disenfranchising hundreds of legitimate voters who cast absentee ballots.

As this process has unfolded, I've been chuckling about the fact that by challenging such a high % of likely Murphy ballots, the Tedisco campaign has effectively created a pool of votes that will be devastating for them when they are finally opened.  All that they have accomplished is to delay their moment of reckoning.

Don't you just love the smell of toasted Republican in the morning?


Downstate Absentees (4.00 / 2)
Chatting with a friend today, it occurred to us that most of the absentee voters that Tedisco is frothing about are people who RENT in the city, yet OWN their second home upstate.  So they are paying property and school taxes on their upstate country home, which is a good (and very Republican)  argument for the legitimacy of their absentee ballot.

Saratoga Co. (4.00 / 1)
Just heard from two sources that Saratoga's numbers are in, and Tedisco gained 163 votes.  That pretty much puts the nail in the coffin, as he was trailing by 168  going into today, and there are piles of likely Murphy absentees waiting to be counted.

Is this ALL of Saratoga? (0.00 / 0)


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Times Union confirming that report out of Saratoga (4.00 / 1)
Tedisco only netted 163 votes which when added to their earlier report means that Murphy is still up 5 votes with heavily Murphy favoring counties and presumably heavily Murphy favoring challenged ballots still to report!

This thing is over!

Congratulations Congressman-elect Scott Murphy!!!


Then he netted 81 out of Washington (4.00 / 1)
to bring his total lead to 86.


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About Saratoga (0.00 / 0)
According to 538, there was 1934 absentee ballots in Saratoga, but the latest report only got 1181 of them counted.

Not worried, just pointing it out.


I think the remainder are the challenges, which aren't going to be close to enough to make a difference (0.00 / 0)


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Probably a bit more for Tedisco (0.00 / 0)
Yes I suspect that the ballots that have been set aside in Saratoga will favor Tedisco when they are eventually counted. Probably not enough to save him though.

Murphy's lawyers were probably challenging quite a few Tedisco votes there since that was his base. Yes - believe it or not Republican lawyers aren't the only ones that challenge ballots to try to suppress their opponents numbers. Some people on here live in such an idealistic partisan fantasy world.  


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I don't think so (0.00 / 0)
to the best of my knowledge the majority of the challenges in Saratoga County are Tedisco challenges... mostly of Skidmore students. So this is as good as it gets for Teabags Tedisco.

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