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Should I Do Lunch With Poughkeepsie Journal Editor?

by: tamres

Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 09:22:19 AM EST


(What a peek into how the media thinks! - promoted by am)

The poll linked to this post asks whether I should have lunch with John Penney, an editor at The Poughkeepsie Journal.  If you read to the bottom, you'll see he's invited me to lunch to further explore an exchange of letters we had this week regarding my attempt to understand the Journal's policy about when/when not they require substantiation of assertions made in letters to the editor.

As background, many of you may recall that John Sweeney used a Utah-based push polling firm to attack Kirsten Gillibrand.  Below the fold, you'll see what happened when I wrote a letter to the editor about this -- and what happened this week when I sought clarification of their policy:

tamres :: Should I Do Lunch With Poughkeepsie Journal Editor?
My opening letter:

Dear John,

You may recall that I sent a letter to the editor in early September regarding John Sweeney's use of a firm from Utah to do push polling against Kirsten Gillibrand.  Shortly after submitting this letter, you phoned me and left a voice message saying that the Journal had a policy against publishing such a letter in the absence of my providing you a source for the push poll claim (which I then did -- although, while I
may have missed it, to my knowledge my letter -- with the source provided -- was never published).

I write today to ask you to clarify the Journal's policy in these
matters in light of a published letter to the editor appearing
Wednesday, December 6th in which letter writer Vincent Ferro of Milton writes (among other things):  "It is now quite apparent the gay lobby heavily financed the campaign of aging rock star John Hall..."

Since the information does not appear in the letter itself, can you
provide me the source that Mr. Ferro provided your staff for his
claim?  Or, did I somehow mistake your policy?  And, if so, can you explain why the claim I made of John Sweeney's use of a Utah push poll firm required documentation while Mr. Ferro's claim of heavy financing by the "gay lobby" of John Hall's campaign did not?

John's response:

We have a give and take with many letter writers on a daily basis
about what they are saying. I am not going to go into detail about every conversation I have with every letter writer. I wouldn't do that if anyone asked about your letter. Suffice it say, the more specific the allegation, the more specific
numbers are being used, etc., the more we are apt to question
something. You are asking for hard-and-fast rules when it comes to trying to be a gatekeeper regarding the exchange of ideas that sometimes are rooted in facts, other times are not. I have no simple answer to that.

My follow up:

Dear John

From your response, I take it that your paper's gatekeeper
approach/policies are not hard-and-fast but, rather, grounded in soft-and-elastic judgment calls made on grounds that include, at least, (1) whether letter writers make specific allegations and/or use specific numbers; and, (2) relate to an exchange of ideas rooted in facts or not rooted in facts.

From this guidance, I'm left to interpret that your gatekeepers
consider Mr. Ferro's assertion that John Hall's campaign was heavily financed by the "gay lobby" as something other than a 'specific allegation'; that is, it must be a general allegation instead of a specific one.  In addition, I'm guessing that your gatekeepers did not consider the use of the phrase "heavily financed" as a 'specific number' (e.g. 'heavily financed' to many people might suggest a specific numerical weight and implication -- however, apparently it doesn't reach your gatekeepers' threshold of specificity with respect
to numbers or numerical concepts).  Last, I'm left to interpret that your gatekeepers considered Mr. Ferro's general allegation regarding the 'gay lobby' to be a useful exchange of ideas not rooted in fact (that is, if I get this correctly, 'gay lobby' is a sort of generic, nonfactual phrase/assertion that is exempt from verification because it promotes an exchange of ideas best accomplished through nonfactual assertions).

In contrast, I see that my assertion that John Sweeney employed an out-of-state push polling firm was considered in the judgment of your gatekeepers as a specific allegation and/or an 'exchange of ideas rooted in fact'.  So, if I had written instead something about John Sweeney using gay push pollers or, perhaps, treasonous push pollers or push pollers who hate what America stands for or some such thing, then -- again if I'm getting this -- your gatekeepers would have been less
likely to have asked me for my sources because gay push pollers or treasonous push pollers would have promoted a nonfactual exchange of ideas within the ambit of what your paper hopes to see among the daily give-and-take of it's readers.

Do I have that straight?

John's final reply:

We should have lunch sometime. I have far too many things to do to get into long e-mail exchanges with every reader about every specific of every letter. Sorry about that. But I wouldn't mind talking to you more about this in person at some point.

So, go to the poll and let me know if you think John and I should do lunch?

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Should I do lunch with John Penney of The Poughkeepsie Journal?
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media gatekeepers know better - trust them (4.00 / 3)
I am not going to go into detail about every conversation I have with every letter writer.
There is so much here to worry about. First, this answering a question you didn't ask, then the condescending tone, as if that should be enough to end your inquiry into the apparent bias in LTE publication.

Looks like we should start asking about the detail around every LTE. . .

I can't wait to find out what you discuss over lunch -- can we submit questions for you to consider asking while you are there? Like, why POJO didn't have a political reporter on staff leading up to the elections?


questions for john are welcomed (4.00 / 3)
.... i'll make note of all questions and, whether at lunch or not, pass them along to john at POJO

[ Parent ]
mmm. . . donuts (4.00 / 4)
>I have far too many things to do to get into long e-mail exchanges with every reader about every specific of every letter<

I hope he knows that you have far too many things to do than to get into long lunches with every arrogant, condescending news editor about every specific of their personal and editorial biases.

That said, I wouldn't miss a lunch like that for anything, especially if he's paying. 


ABSOLUTELY, have lunch. (4.00 / 4)
Ask if you can take notes or perhaps use a recorder as you are now a citizen journalist for the on-line news blog, The Albany Project.

Holding the legislature accountable is important, but as I discovered while founding ePluribus Media, we have to hold the press accountable as well. After all, they are part of the established system, especially in an area whose game hasn't really changed for decades...like here in the Hudson Valley.

But it HAS changed. John Hall and Kirsten Gillibrand are the new congresspeople from this area...and they are --horror-- Democrats.

We have to encourage the established, entrenched press outlets to think for themselves...understand the new paradigm...that it will be okay to buck the status quo...after all, that's what whey are supposed to do. If they don't, they will find themselves on the scrap heap of history, because we are here now and we aren't going away.

We've got some work ahead of us.


accountability (4.00 / 3)
Thanks NYBri.  Your exhortation to hold the press accountable is excellent. In a sense, and as indicated by the votes so far, one way of doing this is to have lunches like the one john penney suggested.

But, there are/must be other ways to hold the press accountable.  And, it would be great if the thealbanyproject readers could identify and recommend as many ways as possible.

So, here's a question (or, rather two):

Who should hold the press accountable?
In what ways should the press be held accountable?


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Accountability = Economics? (4.00 / 3)
If the press is motivated by the supply and demand of the public (their readership,) then the public is the group to motivate the press to modify their stance and their practices (i.e.; for whom the gatekeepers opens the gates).  Changes in the social and political attitudes that underlie press policies WILL happen over time as a response to what the public wants to see and hear.  If the public defines and then demands fairness on its own terms, then I think newspapers like PoJo will be forced to follow suit, if for no other reason than to defend their bottom line.

As an example, in recent months CNN has slowly gone from beating the super-patriotic Iraq War drum to featuring pundits decrying the Executive Branch’s ability to make a rational decision at all.  IMO, this shift in their attitude came about because the public, in a sense, demanded it. The truth finally trumped the drivel that CNN was presenting, and CNN had to shift.

If this argument makes any sense at the national media level, then it ought to make sense at our local level.  One of the success benchmarks of the Albany Project will be how it accelerates forcing press accountability by exposing the skewed attitudes that result in skewed reporting by PoJo and other papers.  TAP's presenting examples over and over and over again is certainly part of what it takes.  The press is already noticing, or else people like John Penney wouldn’t be inviting Tamres to lunch.


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From a Former College Editor (0.00 / 0)
I have a slightly different (and perhaps more unpopular, here) view on newspaper letters to the editor as someone who was the editor of an award-winning college newspaper for around 4 years.

In my time as editor, I got literally hundreds of LTEs. We printed virtually all of them, including off-the-wall editorials critical of our newspaper (and I mean off-the-wall).

However, we drew the line at printing LTEs that we knew contained factual inaccuracies. You see, LTE sections of a newspaper are *not* exempt from libel liability. Printing an LTE you know contains a factual inaccuracy could open up the newspaper and its editorial staff to libel charges.

It seems like the Poughkeepsie Journal has a more strict policy, but one that doesn't seem entirely unreasonable to me. Basically, they're saying that if the LTE has a high likelihood of being considered libelous (i.e. is making factual claims that are unsupported, that if untrue, would subject them to libel charges) are not printed.

Here's the thing, though.

They likely do *not* apply the policy evenly, and it behooves anyone interested in this to read their LTE section carefully for letters that would subject the newspaper to libel suits, yet are printed anyway. After they do so a number of times, that's the time to try to clarify their policy, and force them to articulate something that can be applied across the board.


Do Lunch, On The Record (4.00 / 1)
Be prepared, be straight, and promote TheAlbanyProject.Com as the new source for political content and ideas.

All you need is Love.

global yokel (4.00 / 2)
Have lunch with the guy, but make it very clear that he is not going to get off the hook with slippery, evasive answers.  You caught him red-handed in an act of editorial inconsistency, and he should own up to it and try to do better in the future.

I wouldn't bother (4.00 / 1)
Anyone who says, "i'm so busy i can't reply to an e-mail....so how about we do lunch" has some serious time management issues. 

just listen to "the media project" on WAMC a few times and you get an idea about what hypocrites these people are. 

Anyone know where the offices to the "gay lobby" are?

If you didn't see this article on John Sweeney in the Times Union, check it out.  He claims he caught some "bug in his brain" in Iraq and that is causing his troubles. 


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