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Gillibrand softens up this critic

by: cliffweathers

Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:01:43 PM EDT


My diary that appeared on The Albany Project a little over month ago echoed the frustration that many New York progressives have about Governor Paterson's pick to replace Hillary Clinton as our junior Senator.

However, a string of events led me to attend the very fundraiser that I once objected to. And yesterday, I met Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand.

And hell froze over.  

cliffweathers :: Gillibrand softens up this critic
I thought my email and Internet blog about this fundraiser would reach perhaps 100-200 people. I was not prepared for the 800-plus email responses that I got from places as diverse as Wyoming County, Scenetady, Rochester, and Watertown. I guess I hit a nerve.

At the core of my grievance was the impression that Gillibrand's fundraiser was marketed as a town-hall style Q&A. As I'm a fervent believer in the public's free and unfettered access to politicians (especially to a newly appointed Senator) I did not find this acceptable. I am told now that the event was always meant to be advertised as a fundraiser and a young, wet-behind-the-ears local politician was credited with incorrectly ballyhooing it in an email to his constituents.  

Gillibrand eventually righted this misperception by holding several public events on this same day, including greeting people in the heat at the Nyack Street Fair. Along with the unveiling of the "Sunshine Report" on her Senate Web site, I think she took two big progressive steps.

Rosina Rubin, the host of the event--who eventually held it at her beautiful home--gets a lot of credit for mending fences. She invited me to be her guest at the fundraiser. After debating with myself over whether I would be viewed as a hypocrite, I sheepishly accepted. I prevailed upon myself to have an open mind when I attended.

Gillibrand met a nice-sized group, took several questions from a moderator, and then took questions from the audience. The first thing you'll notice about Sen. Gillibrand is that she talks real fast even while thinking on her feet. After you get used to her oratorical overdrive, you start to appreciate the amount of information she can exchange in a short period of time.

While she talks fast, Gillibrand isn't prone to sales pitches when discussing politics; she's measured, analytical, and concise. There's also no straw-man arguments, no dogma, nor stroking the audience; she's a policy wonk if there ever was one.

I listened to her speak to several concerned members of the audience on gun control and she allayed many concerns and was especially adamant about closing the "gun-show loophole." In fact, Gillibrand systematically addressed every one of my concerns, and she dismissed rumors about herself circulated by others, such as the one about sleeping with two guns under her bed.

Beyond that, Gillibrand impressed me with her dedication to repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax and the unfunded No Child Left Behind.

Gillibrand also discussed, in length, criticism of the Food Safety Modernization Act. She assured us that she would not be interested in voting for the bill if it contained requirements that would hurt small and organic farms. Sen. Gillibrand says that she hasn't found anything in the bill, so far, that point in that direction. And, I must say, she seems to be really on top of agricultural issues.

I had my own question about some contradictory evidence concerning the feasibility of cellulosic ethanol, but decided that it was too technical and esoteric to discuss in front of a group. I informed Senator Gillibrand, who met me before I left, that I'd send her my question by email. She seems truly interested in discussing the topic and I'm pretty sure that she'll respond.

All in all, I am much less worried about Sen. Gillibrand than I was a month ago. And to the credit of those on TAP who kept repeating it, she is an impressive individual. She certainly does not deserve the derisive label "Tracy Flick" that some of her more nasty critics have tagged her with. (I detested that name calling when I first read it on Politico.)

We've got a little more than a year to the State Democratic Primary and that's plenty of time for Democrats to get to know Sen. Gillibrand. I'm not jumping into her corner just yet, nor am I saying we should forgo a primary, but I do hope to  continue to be impressed.  

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She is quite impressive in person (4.00 / 6)
and I'm glad you took the time to attend the event.  I wish everybody could get the chance to attend an event like this with Gillibrand.  

Well... (4.00 / 5)
I wish everybody could get the chance to attend an event like this with Gillibrand.

I do not recommend going about it the way I did, however. I do have to say that I wasn't quite comfortable considering the the circumstances, even with the Rubins being such cordial hosts  and several of my friends attending.  


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Very cool Cliff (4.00 / 6)
Thank you. That's all I ask is that people give her a chance. Not everyone is going to agree with her on all issues all the time. But you know you are dealing with a very intelligent, capable and committed person who is doing what she thinks, seriously thinks, is best once you get a chance to meet her and discuss issues with her.

Also...


Gillibrand eventually righted this misperception by holding several public events on this same day, including greeting people in the heat at the Nyack Street Fair. Along with the unveiling of the "Sunshine Report" on her Senate Web site, I think she took two big progressive steps.

... this is stuff she's been doing since before she made the final commitment to run for office. She has gone out of her way to make herself accessible, open and transparent to her constituents. She did a fantastic job of it as Congresswoman in NY-20 (Scott Murphy has BIG shoes to fill). Obviously it'll be harder to do at the state-wide level but as you saw she is equally committed to the best she can to make herself accessible, open and transparent to the entire state now that she is a US Senator.

There is a great deal of misinformation and even outright smear about her circulating out there right now. She has her work cut out for her getting past all that and setting the record straight. But I have confidence in her ability to do just that.

I'm glad you went. Do make sure to send her your questions.

Peace,

Andrew


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Well that is a plus. (4.00 / 4)
Cliff,

Did anyone ask about the Save Families Homes Act(S.61), i.e. the bill that would allow bankruptcy judges to modify mortgages?  I have been trying for at least six weeks to get a response from the senator's office on this bill.  No response to date, not even a "we'll get back to you."

The bill may be up for a vote next week and it is important that the bill passes as the voluntary programs put into place by the Obama Administration appear not to be working.  Meanwhile, thousands of families each day are losing their homes.  

BTW Schumer is a co-sponsor  


Sorry (4.00 / 5)
Nobody brought it up, John. We went through a lot of upcoming legislation, but not that bill.  

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Not surprised at all (4.00 / 4)
So, here, you said we would have to decide whether it was "mind control" or not if you came back a fan... although, I have to say, she is in very good control of her own mind.... she is simply convincing when it comes to others.  As I said before:
Or, maybe she is just a really talented elected official, eh?


She is talented... (4.00 / 5)
...but I'm not a fan, I'm just not nearly as much of doubter anymore. I will say that I'm going by her record from here on. If her compass is pointed in the right direction, I won't have any choice but to become a follower.  

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I'm glad it went well (4.00 / 4)
Gillibrand is very impressive in person, and the more people she meets, the better.

For her, obviously, but also for New Yorkers who are unsure whether she's up to being a Senator.


I'm more impressed... (0.00 / 0)
... with Carolyn Maloney's articulate and forceful championing of credit card reform right now.

I know we disagree, but here goes (4.00 / 5)
Maloney's work on the credit-card bill is great, something we all agree on. That she is a sponsor of the bill is partly due to her being chair of the Financial Institution and Consumer Credit Subcommittee of the Financial Services Committee.

She is also chair of the Joint Economic Committee.

Maloney earned those important leadership positions in part due to her expertise and her concern about the issue, and in part due to her seniority as a nine-term Member of Congress.

New York would lose that seniority if Maloney challenges Gillibrand in the 2010 Senate primary.

Gillibrand is brand new in the Senate, and ranks 98th in seniority now.

Should she win election and re-election, she will move up the seniority ladder every two years. Her seniority progress should be relatively rapid, since there are a lot of old Democratic Senators serving now -- 22 are over 65, including Sanders, but not counting LIEberman, Burris and Kaufman, who also are, but for various reasons won't be around past the next election.

And Gillibrand is 42, while Maloney is 61, so Gillibrand would presumably have more time to move into senior Senate leadership positions that will benefit the entire state.

IMHO, New York would be better served by Maloney staying in the House, and Gillibrand continuing an inexorable march to a Senate committee chair that may take 20 years.

BTW, had Paterson appointed Maloney, I would have made the same argument against any House member's potential primary challenge next year.

 


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Yep, that sounds like what I've seen of Gillibrand. (4.00 / 5)
A fast talking, very savvy policy wonk who thinks on her feet. When our group met with her, we mentioned the price of milk and she instantly did a number on us, giving ten minutes worth of information in a one minute screed.  

Milk prices (4.00 / 4)
When she spoke at Cornell, she told a joke she had heard from farmers in the state-- "Somebody used to understand how milk is priced, but he died 4 years ago."  I started laughing... and then realized that most of the room (which was full of Cornell Ag Quad types over-impressed with their own seriousness and knowledge) weren't getting it....

She wants to reform how we price milk and make it transparent, too.  Before the next Farm Bill.  You go!


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For a relative newbie, Gillibrand knows a lot (0.00 / 0)
about most national issues, and can explain them well to voters in large and small settings.

Her answers are often long, but they are comprehensive and fact-filled.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I've seen here a dozen or so times in situations where she took unscreened questions from constituents.

She never asked a staffer for help, or said she didn't know but would get back to the questioner.

She knew the answers, and delivered them articulately, without fail.

BTW Adama, "screed" has a negative connotation that I don't think you intended.


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Gillibrand shouldn't be underestimated (4.00 / 6)
Kirsten's folksy, good-natured personality has a tendency to mask her mental acumen and political saviness.  Opponents and even fellow Democrats seem to consistently underestimate her ability to connect directly with voters and, just as importantly, financial supporters.  Going from nowhere to US Senator in 3 1/2 years has been treated as somewhat of a lark by the press.  It will be interesting to see if the press and her potential primary and general election opponents continue to underestimate her as she wins over voters statewide just like she did in the 20th CD.

You have to see it to believe it, (4.00 / 2)
as Cliff did last weekend.

Thousands more New Yorkers will be seeing Gillibrand up-close-and-personal over the next year, and the overwhelming majority will be similarly impressed.

And tell their friends and family about our great new Senator.


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I met K. Gillibrand at a fund raiser (4.00 / 4)
   several years ago and was also impressed by her abilities.  

I could never understand the objections to Gillibrand (4.00 / 5)
She gets a solidly liberal rating from Project Vote Smart.  Nice to hear that she's making inroads as people get to know her.

Some ratings from Project Vote Smart:

   * In 2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America gave Representative Gillibrand a grade of 100.
   * 2007 Representative Gillibrand supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 96 percent in 2007.
   * 2007-2008 Representative Gillibrand supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 10 percent in 2007-2008.
   * 2007-2008 Representative Gillibrand supported the interests of the Concerned Women for America 18 percent in 2007-2008.
   * 2007-2008 Representative Gillibrand supported the interests of the Conservative Index - The John Birch Society 18 percent in 2007-2008.
   * 2007 Representative Gillibrand supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 8 percent in 2007.
   * 2007 In 2007 Traditional Values Coalition gave Representative Gillibrand a grade of 0.
   * 2007-2008 Representative Gillibrand supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent in 2007-2008.
   * 2007-2008 In 2007-2008 National Education Association gave Representative Gillibrand a grade of A.
   * 2008 Representative Gillibrand supported the interests of the Environment America 100 percent in 2008.
   * 2007 Representative Gillibrand supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 95 percent in 2007.
   * 2007 Representative Gillibrand supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans 100 percent in 2007.
   * 2007-2008 In 2007-2008 Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave Representative Gillibrand a grade of A.
   * 2007 In 2007 The Sargent Shriver National Center on Poverty Law gave Representative Gillibrand a grade of A.
   * For 2007-2008, the National Organization for Women gave Representative Gillibrand a rating of 100 percent.
   * 2007 League of Women Voters's gave Representative Gillibrand a rating of 100.
   * 2007-2008 National Farmers Union's gave Representative Gillibrand a rating of 100.
   * 2007 Representative Gillibrand supported the interests of the National Association of Wheat Growers 93 percent in 2007.
   * 2007 Representative Gillibrand supported the interests of the United Fresh Produce Association 100 percent in 2007.
   * 2007 In 2007 American Civil Liberties Union gave Representative Gillibrand a grade of 100.


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Ever Hear Her Talk About TARP? (4.00 / 1)
I actually did not agree with her vote on this.  But the depth of her knowledge on this is astounding.  She can talk about the issues more intelligently than just about any politician around.

Not that there's anything (0.00 / 0)
wrong with that.

Gillibrand is super-impressive when taking all manner of questions from constituents, and answering them excellently.

That's not the only qualification for being a good Senator.

But if that's how thousands of constituents see/hear her, in large and small events and via media coverage of those events, it will be all good for her in next year's elections.


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