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Why Gillibrand will be tough to beat

by: Dan Jacoby

Sat May 16, 2009 at 15:01:07 PM EDT


There has been a lot of talk, and some action, regarding attempts to unseat Senator Gillibrand.  Several people, on both sides of the political aisle, have been mentioned as possible contenders, and a couple of them have gone so far as to form exploratory committees.

They all have one serious problem -- Kirsten Gillibrand is an extremely bright, politically savvy person who can raise an enormous amount of money.  She comes from a politically active family, and has shown the rare ability to rise above her early indoctrination (her father was a Republican lobbyist, and her first political job was as an intern for Al D'Amato).

Since becoming a Senator, her views on guns and gays have "evolved," to use the popular buzz word.  She has spoken publicly in support of universal healthcare coverage, including a public option.  These positions will win her downstate votes.  They may cost her something upstate, but not much.

The main reason for assuming continued strength upstate is that none of her potential challengers comes from anywhere farther north than Peekskill, and all but one of them hail from NYC or Long Island.  Senator Gillibrand is positioning herself brilliantly, both on issues and geographically.

In a primary, she will win upstate handily, and between her evolution on issues and the support of Senator Schumer she will gain plenty of downstate votes to win.  In a general election she will do even better, earning a lot of upstate Republican votes as well as virtually every Democratic vote in the state (can you see a Democrat voting for George Pataki or Peter King?).

Even Rep. Israel would have been at a serious disadvantage.  For every upstate vote he gets, he loses two or three from NYC.  If he tries to focus on NYC/Long Island, he loses by such an enormous margin upstate that there is no way he makes up for it.

More after the jump...

Dan Jacoby :: Why Gillibrand will be tough to beat
As for Gillibrand's potential primary challengers:

Steve Israel is out.

Scott Stringer is not a threat.

Carolyn McCarthy's only obvious issue with Gillibrand is guns.  It may have won her the House seat she still holds (and it didn't help that she had been a Republican prior to the tragedy that led to her new career), but it's not nearly enough to mount a Senate campaign.

Carolyn Maloney may have the fundraising ability to mount a competitive race.  In addition, when the "credit card bill of rights" becomes law, she will have a huge bipartisan achievement to tout on the campaign trail.  (The House passed the bill 357-70; even Republicans voted 105-69 in favor of it.)  After seeing President Obama call Rep. Israel, Maloney would do well to stay in the race until she gets the call as well; her best move may be to make a deal at that point.

In the general election, there's really very little hope for any Republican to unseat Gillibrand, even if she has to fend off a primary challenge.  George Pataki's numbers can't be very good, and Gillibrand can lay a lot of the blame for NY's current fiscal woes at his feet (and help Paterson if he runs next year).  Peter King is too closely associated with George W. Bush.  Rick Lazio couldn't dent Hillary Clinton when she was carpetbagging; putting him up against another woman will only mean showing his disastrous debate performance in 2000 over and over again.

In short, unless Kirsten Gillibrand makes about as many missteps as David Paterson has, she's pretty much guaranteed election to a full term as our junior senator.

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Agreed (4.00 / 2)
Gillibrand is formidable in every way, and first-tier potential primary challengers will come to recognize that.

Her poll numbers are low now because her statewide name recognition is low, but she is working every day to become better-known.

By next fall, she will be, and will win primary and general election with ease.


Senator G. (4.00 / 2)
Thanks for the analysis Dan, and I agree. The continued emphasis on poll numbers is premature. Gillibrand has her plate full, getting oriented in the Senate and traveling as much as she can to introduce herself around the State. It takes time, and the reviews she is getting have been quite positive. I'd really like to see our State Reps collaborating to attract and implement stimulus funds, rather than attacking and undermining each other. There is an opportunity for great progress in NY right now with a concerted effort. The only thing I disagree with is that Maloney will run. Obama calling Israel is a pretty clear signal to any challengers that funds and political will are not likely to embrace a serious challenger at this time. We'll see what happens.

I don't agree. The diarist conveniently left a lot out. (0.00 / 0)
(1) Gillibrand's approval rating has stalled out at 19% -- identical to Paterson's. Indeed, she is closely associated in the minds of voters who have been paying attention to Paterson.

(2) Those who were initially undecided, who have been making up their minds in recent months have been pulling away from Gillibrand.

(3) Gillibrand is polling 8 points behind George Elmer Pataki, which is pretty pathetic.

(4) Gillibrand's House record does indeed matter to those of us who want a genuinely progressive Senator with core Democratic values, not one who shifts with the winds. The latter types of Democrats were the ones who went along with Bush for so many years because they thought it was politically "savvy."

(5) For some, coming from a family of machine politicians is not exactly a strong resumé item in some of our minds. (Dick Cheney is an "experienced" and "proven" politician, but that doesn't make him a good leader in my book.)

(6) 70% of the primary vote will be from downstate, so even if Gillibrand does well here, she could have trouble with a serious challenger.

(7) If New Yorkers don't get behind a strong, progressive candidate in 2010, the unthinkable could indeed happen -- a Republican sneaks in, thanks to the damage done by Spitzer and Paterson to the morale and trust of members of our party.

I could go on, but that's plenty to chew on. I would merely add in closing that excessive confidence and blustery claims of having the nomination wrapped up didn't work out quite as Hillary Clinton planned in 2008.


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So did you. (4.00 / 1)
1. If you want to claim she's "stalled," you might want to try waiting until one could reasonably expect more than 19% of New Yorkers to know who she is. After I got to see her in the flesh last month I texted somebody to mention it. That person's response was basically "The senator from what state?"

2. Again, you need to have more than statistical noise to make this argument.

3. Polls at this point are all about name recognition. That's why Hillary Clinton ran away with them at this time in 2007. We all know who's president.

4. Then you should be pretty happy with Gillibrand, since her record is one of strong progressive cred even while in the middle of a district that was quite the opposite. And if you're going to disagree, please provide examples instead of blindly repeating this "bad record" mantra like saying it enough times makes it true.

5. Her parents were attorneys and her grandmother was a women's rights activist. So that qualifies you for Tammany Hall status now?

6. Upstate-downstate is the Republicans' mantra. Unfortunately, some Democrats also buy into it rather than accepting that there can be a balance between the two.

7. All the more reason to avoid a bloody and unnecessary primary wrapping up 8 weeks before election day.  


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The only reason anyone ever talked about a primary challenge was (4.00 / 1)
Gillibrands voting record as a house member.  Many found it too conservative a record for statewide NY.  But as many others predicted, Kirsten became much more Liberal as a Senator and supports to date all the Obama initiatives.  That said, we are down to McCarthy's concerns about gun control votes and that will not be known until the Obama administration proposes something like a new Brady Bill, banning certain assault weapons.  If this happens and Gilly supports it than McCarthy is done with her concerns as well and that is the end of any serious efforts to challenge her.  I think she is a very formidable Senator and candidate and she sold me when she veered left since assuming the Senate.

Two things. (4.00 / 1)
One, what did people find "conservative" about Gillibrand's House record, exactly? A lot of people bought into the spin that she was heavily conservative in the House, but the record doesn't really reflect that.

Two, there isn't going to be a new Assault Weapons Ban. The White House has been very careful to steer away from talking about it, both Reid and Pelosi have made clear it's a no-go, and even if all of them were interested it's doubtful it would muster enough votes to pass.  


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Correction: (4.00 / 1)
Senator Gilibrand's father became a Republican lobbiest late in his professional career because the incumbant administration in Albany was GOP controlled at that time.  Prior to Pataki's administration he was a very successful attorney (as was Senator Gillibrand"s mother), and a major player in Albany's local Democratic politics. Good man.  Smart guy.

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