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Looking to 2010 and beyond

by: simonstl

Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 14:59:37 PM EDT


I was worried that I'd misplaced my sense of outrage yesterday, watching the Senate coup without nearly enough surprise or concern. The Republicans were doing what a minority party is supposed to do, and it had been clear for a long time that the loyalty of the Gang of Four was in question (though these weren't the two I'd have guessed most likely to flip.) Besides, I'd cheered up when Arlen Specter and Jim Jeffords grew weary of the other side of the aisle and came over.

But still, how could I be calm about the reversal of a goal I'd fought for? Well, I think this guy has the answer:

they should really take a breath, because-while they will have a clear and profound impact on the workings of Albany through 2010-the surprise defections of State Senators Pedro Espada and Hiram Monserrate to the Republican conference could end up, in the medium term, looking more like a blip than an earthquake....

the new G.O.P. majority will be built on an absurdly flimsy foundation. Sure, Espada and Monserrate will provide the two crucial votes that will make Dean Skelos majority leader, a development that will severely complicate the budget process and, more broadly, the agenda of David Paterson and state Democrats. But by flipping to the G.O.P., Espada and Monserrate have almost certainly expedited their own exits from Albany-and the election of new, far more loyal Democrats to their seats.

Maybe I'm misguided or naive, and I'm certainly not happy about the timing, but I actually see opportunity here. I'm not too excited about "loyal Democrats", though that's likely, but maybe there's a chance here for "better Democrats".

Talking with a friend about the coup, it occurred to me that I can't think of any "lions of the NY Senate" the way I might think of "lions of the US Senate", people who've demonstrated their ability to address complex problems despite the challenges of getting legislation passed.

Some of it's doubtless the nature of the institution, which hasn't exactly rewarded or even made a place for individual initiative. (I have a similar problem with the Assembly.) However, it also seems that NY Senators are kind of ossified. Whether that happened before they were elected (retired upward) or after is an open question.

I think, though, that this latest chaos, however it resolves, throws things wide open. A lot of Democratic seats will be competitive in 2010, and a number of Republican seats were already competitive in 2008. Maybe there's an opportunity to improve the quality of Democrats in the Senate overall?

And for the long term, maybe we'll learn that we need to value quality?

The short term is going to be awful - opportunities lost, state government in turmoil, and probably a good deal of suffering that could have been avoided. That seems unfortunately clear. At the same time, though, the long term looks pretty good to me.

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Don't ever expect lions! (0.00 / 0)
I can't think of any "lions of the NY Senate" the way I might think of "lions of the US Senate",

The reason there are no lions in the NYS Senate is that the membership has always fallen in line with the majority leader.

Similarly, the same holds for the Assembly.

As long as following the leader (in either house) results in assignments that increase a member's compensation, nothing will change.


I had a good way of looking at (0.00 / 0)
we never actually "won" the Senate in 2008...we did in terms of numbers, but not in terms of policy. We didn't have to votes for much of our agenda. A similar situation with the US Senate from 2007-2009...and even now since like 3 of the Democratic members are not even on the floor.

We only won two seats and failed to win all the other competitive seats. The majority was never really there to begin with.

I was talking to an aide to Sen. Jeff Klein on Election Night at Joe Addabbo's victory party and when I asked her if we had won the Senate majority, she kinda gave me the "yeah, but..." look.  


Our odds are better in 2010 (0.00 / 0)
First of all, I see no reasonable chance of losing more than one seat.  Second, the two turncoats will be replaced by Democrats.  Third, odds of winning Frank Padavan's seat are enormous.

And fourth, I expect the Democrats in 2010, no matter how crooked, to fall into line on redistricting.  Which is the death knell for the Republicans in 2012, because even vaguely reasonable districts give Democrats a lot more seats.


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The senate web site says status quo (0.00 / 0)


Chaos only breeds more chaos. (0.00 / 0)
I do think the Republicans have bitten off more than they can chew now.  When the flush of victory fades, they're still going to be left with the reality of having achieved this by getting into bed with "The Slasher" and a crook.  Do they think they can control what they started?

I also think they've inflicted a serious wound on the credibility of the Senate as a body.  (Maybe that was a bipartisan project that started in January.  Dunno.)  You have a body without lions, as Nordwand put it, and there still is no real leader.  


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