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That Republican Reform bill

by: simonstl

Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 17:29:29 PM EDT


If anyone's curious what was in the rules reform bill the Senate Republicans passed (assuming that was legal), the Brennan Center has a copy of the bill and an assessment.

Overall, it sounds like "basic steps, but New York has long lagged behind the rest of the country in this regard". There's even an opportunity to pass bills without consent of the leadership:

The rule creating a new "motion for consideration" which allows members to either move for a vote or petition for a bill to be placed on the active list is surprisingly rigorous. Motions or petitions receiving the support of a majority of members present and voting and a majority of the chamber, respectively, will move bills onto the active list even over the wishes of leadership. These bills will come before the chamber for a vote on the next session day, or, if the motion or petition is made within the last four days of a legislative session, the bill will receive an immediate floor vote.

While I doubt the Republicans will do much else good, I hope we don't even consider dialing back these "basic steps" when Democrats return to power.

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This is Bull Crap (0.00 / 0)
They want senators to have this power:
"publishing committee work products"

Um. Wake the hell up.  This is done, idiots:

Already every single standing committee, every temporary committee, subcommittee and task force has this very power through NYSenate.gov

http://www.nysenate.gov/commit...

Anybody who reports this rule change as a stand alone -- without pointing out that the GOP is apparently too stupid to notice what's going on around them -- is being used.

They are retarded.  This is not to say they have a cognitive disability. Please note, I do not want to offend anyone with a cognitive disability.

No, simply, the definition of the word "retard" is what they do and who they are.

Retard: To cause to move or proceed slowly; delay or impede.  The intransitive verb is "To be delayed." Noun form is "A slowing down or hindering of progress; a delay."

From the Middle English 'retarden', from Old French retarder, from Latin 'tardus', meaning: slow.

Simply: They are a hindering of progress. I am a progressive.  They are retarded.

Eg. Whereas I am for the spread of civil rights, they are for it's retardation.  

In all things, they are retarded.  

No offense, but these are the meanings of words in our English language.  These words mean these things because they're true.

This is Bull Crap.

Thru-You


did you actually say anything new here (4.00 / 1)
or are you just calling folks retarded because they reported that something the Republicans claimed was in a bill actually appeared there?

What you point to shows off an agenda and a press release.  It's a nice site with potential, but there isn't much there. Web sites and rules for publishing information aren't equivalent, either.

And then you go wandering off with bizarre etymology.  I'm on the edge of troll-rating this for wandering off into incoherent rants.

From past postings it even sounds like you're a staffer, making this even more bizarre.

If you have something coherent to say, please share it, instead of muttering about the dictionary.


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Patience (0.00 / 0)
People are angry.  That's what happens when this kind of underhanded aggression is substituted for orderly discourse-- folks get mad and lash out in response.  It truly is unfair, and, we have to accept that some people are shocked and angry, and might even rant a bit.  They just maybe got a stick in the eye.

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i'm bashing republicans (0.00 / 0)
it's an etymological play on words. i should have been more clear...

#1
the point is, some bloggers and GOP flacks are making a big deal about something that Democrats did.  

and, no, their 'rule' DOES NOT stipulate how many hours are allowed to pass after a committee meeting before the corresponding senator's communications staffer has to upload the documents.  

it merely says "to the extent practicable"... things should be published.

therefore, this item of 'reform' - that of publishing committee info online, is so much hot air.

lots of bloggers are writing that this item is something good.  it's vapor.

i said that if the GOP doesn't know this functionality of the website already exists, then THEY are idiots.  

The assessment that is linked to crows that the portion about publishing documents online is some sort of innovation.

It's not. There is no enforcement mechanism.

#2
to the parroting of the party line without investigation, i didn't say that folks who did it are retarded. I joked that the GOP is a retardant. not that bloggers are.

It's our responsibility to remain vigilant and skeptical of PRs that come from political parties.  Both parties. If we choose to echo official party line framing, so be it -- I admit I've done it for some of the Dems I like in the past and I was happy to have been used.

#3
I linked to one committee because I didn't want to link to 35 different committee sites
http://www.nysenate.gov/commit...

no biggie.

Thru-You


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Does the website have a mechanism (0.00 / 0)
for enforcing that communications get published there in a timely manner?

If it does, that might at least explain part of this conversation.


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Treachery (0.00 / 0)
They are trying to take the mantle of reform to cover over their power grab.  We can't turn our backs on the reforms we have advocated since the Brennan Center published their report.  But, we certainly can disparage the sneaky, underhanded, unsavory way in which these things were brought forward.

This has been a plot, a conspiracy, not open government.  When the relatives of Republican Senators are pissed because they were in the dark, but a Florida billionaire shows up as the coup is being executed.... well, something just ain't right about it, even if they are touting that important reforms must be enacted.  Why not propose them through the committee process like a due-process government does, with respect for all members?

Their methods are treacherous, and they seem to prefer leaders who break the law (first Bruno, now campaign-finance-scofflaw Espada--- and a guy under indictment as the chair of the ethics committee?  sheesh).  Let's discuss these very good reform ideas-- in a legal, open, democratic way, under an orderly process.  Not in a whispered conspiracy plan hatched in Albany's Red Square (how ironic is THAT?).


of course they're taking the mantle of reform to cover their power grab (0.00 / 0)
I'm kind of amazed today by the number of people who've told me time after time that that the only way rules reform could happen is as some kind of corrupt deal - who are now furious that the Republicans happened to push at least basic reform through as a corrupt deal.

The plot, the conspiracy, the horrible people the Republicans are associating with - all true.  But I don't see anything new here.  Democrats held their noses when they needed Espada and Monserrate (and Kruger and Diaz), but they're suddenly noticing the stench now that it's gone the other way.

And the Republicans must just be pure evil to launch their coup right before the Dems continued the long tradition of a 10-1 ratio of member item spending, and then, insult of all insult, passed reform legislation that was based on a bipartisan commission that reported a while ago to little effect.

Yeah, Golisano's a corrupting catalyst.  The Republicans have horrible ideas about what state government should do.  

But you know, this was excruciatingly smart.  Republicans took an issue that had ruined their reputation over 40 years of being in power and stabbed Democrats with it as part of bringing themselves to return to power.  Even if they fall back into the minority, they've set a precedent that might well protect them in the future.

Of course, I'd prefer rules reform that happens under spotlights, with question and answer sessions.  We just hadn't gotten anywhere actually PASSING it, and left the Republicans with a great PR story for their coup.  It's not like there hadn't been proposals from the Democrats before, or that the issue hadn't been studied.  Senate Democrats just didn't move on it, for whatever reason, even voting against their own prior proposal when the Republicans moved it.

There's much, much, more of a story here than treachery.  It reflects badly on Republicans in many ways, but it doesn't reflect much better on Democrats or on Albany in general.


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unfortunately (0.00 / 0)
If I disconnect my "disgust" sensors, I come to the same conclusion: the Democrats got owned.

The question is... WHY?


[ Parent ]
Easy (0.00 / 0)
Inept leadership

[ Parent ]
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