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NY-Sen: Maloney attacks Gillibrand on TV

by: devtob

Thu Jun 11, 2009 at 15:41:45 PM EDT


Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney (NY-14) attacked Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand in an interview on NY1 (h/t, Liz Benjamin of The Daily Politics), leaving even less doubt that she intends to challenge Gillibrand in a primary next year.

Benjamin writes accurately that Maloney sounded "as if she were road testing some campaign themes."

NY1 has not posted the entire interview by Dominic Carter, the excerpt posted can be viewed here, and a transcript of the excerpt, followed by some analysis, is below.

devtob :: NY-Sen: Maloney attacks Gillibrand on TV
After, evidently, Maloney took some shots at Gillibrand regarding the appointment process, Carter asks:

But has she done a good job after the initial introduction?

CM: I think that she's working hard, but what are the accomplishments? Has she been working hard at getting elected? Again, some people run to get elected and some people run to do a job to help people.

But in the New York magazine, she says, "I was living in New York City, I didn't think I could run in New York City, so I moved upstate to run."

If she moved to another section of the state, is she going to change her positions again?

DC: Why are you considering challenging her?

CM: Well, I feel that principles are very important and it's troubling to me that she could change her position on so many issues that are important to the country, the city and the state within 24 hours, and say I just decided to change my mind.

I feel that the best way to judge a candidate is not on what they say they'll do in the future, but what they've done in the past. And her past record is a troubling one to me.

DC: What is your timeline for making a decision on whether or not you're gonna challenge her?

CM: We'll study it. Independence is important to me and Democratic values and actually getting the work done. I think some people run to get elected and others run to get a job done, to help people.

(evidently a snip in the tape)

Wall Street was calling me and saying, "If you don't stabilize our markets, we will have a 1929 crash," there's no question about it, every economist says it's true, and the one bill that provided the money that we could spend to stabilize our markets, not only for New York but for the whole country, she voted against twice.

I think if you can't stand up for the economic interests, not only of your city and state, financial capital of the world, what do you stand for?

Let's start with the attack line Maloney used twice -- "some people run to get elected and others run to get a job done, to help people."

Gillibrand helped a lot of people in her former district, on issues great and small. Sure, it helped her get re-elected by almost 2-1 in the most Republican-by-registration district in the state, but this attack line is absurd.

As a freshman, she did not get her name atop any bills, but that's how the House works. But she represented her district well, particularly on agriculture issues, and worked hard doing so.

Gillibrand is not the first, nor will she be the last, political hopeful to move from one district to another. Maloney evidently considers that some kind of flip-flop, which is also absurd.

For those with short memories, Gillibrand worked for more than a year to defeat Miami Mob Leader John Sweeney, a four-term incumbent in a district drawn to be his for a decade. Sweeney tried to tar her as a carpetbagger from the city, now Maloney is trying to do much the same thing.

Maloney's attack that Gillibrand "change[d] her position on so many issues that are important to the country, the city and the state within 24 hours" is simply a lie.

Finally, the TARP bank bailout bills were unpopular in her district, and Gillibrand at the time was not representing the city or the state, despite Maloney's insinuation to the contrary.

Gillibrand obviously wasn't against stabilizing the market, but she was against handing Bush and Paulson a blank check with no accountability.

She had substantive reasons for opposing TARP, according to this New York Times blog post by Cyrus Sanati:

Gillibrand's opposition to the bailout bill seemed to be focused on its approach, rather than the idea of helping Wall Street firms. When she first voted against the bill, she made a statement saying that she recognized the need to recapitalize the banks but that, "if the federal government needs to intervene, then [it] should receive a fair equity stake in the company in order to protect the taxpayer."

At the time of the votes, the bill was generally held up as a means to buy troubled assets from banks. That plan was later scrapped by the Treasury secretary at the time, Henry M. Paulson Jr., in favor of direct equity investments - which seem to be more along the lines of what Ms. Gillibrand had advocated.

FWIW, Chris Bowers of Open Left agreed with Gillibrand's approach to bailouts:

Case in point: the Wall Street bailout, otherwise known as TARP. Gillibrand voted against it back in October, then she voted in favor of the auto bailout in December, then voted in favor of Barney Frank's oversight bill on Wednesday, and then voted against the release of the second half of the funds yesterday. This makes Gillibrand one of 26 House Democrats who would have voted the same way I would have voted across all four of those bills.

There will presumably be a lot more baseless negativity from Maloney, should she decide to end her political career by challenging Gillibrand next year.

The NY1 interview is the first, sour taste of that.

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Maloney's NY1 attack was pretty weak, (4.00 / 3)
and easily repulsed.  

Dev, if someone said... (0.00 / 0)
... that Gillibrand was anything less than the second coming of FDR, you'd consider an attack that left a sour taste in your mouth.

The statements above by Maloney are tame stuff. Clearly, she is raising doubts about Gillibrand, but if you think those legitimate questions she raises are "attacks," you're going to have a heart attack when this thing really gets going.


lol (4.00 / 2)
Gillibrand didn't vote for the bank bailout, why doesn't she stand with Citigroup like I do!

yeah...really scary stuff.

The TARP thing alone, I could destroy Maloney in one fell swoop if I wanted to...if Gillibrand is good, she just latches on to that one comment and keep drilling home the idea that Maloney is the Congresswoman from Citigroup.

My guess is Gillibrand won't go there unless she has to, but that'll put Tasini is a nice spot when he tries to go after Gillibrand on being a corporatist. He'll have to go after Maloney too.  


[ Parent ]
The Gillibrand Project (0.00 / 0)
When's the new name appearing on the masthead?

Tasini got trashed here for daring to enter the primary but it looks like the knives are really out for Maloney. It's kind of not surprising that a Bluish Dog Dem might get primary challengers in a very blue state. What's surprising is how a progressive blog like this one is handling it. Tread carefully, gang. AmericaBlog is a shadow of its former self post Obama/Clinton.


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This is a progressive blog? (0.00 / 0)


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I missed Devtob's comment below (0.00 / 0)
about a "Maloney troll." The Gillibrand Project indeed. I'm curious. How's Phillip Anderson handling this new development?

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First unforgotten rule of the blogsphere (4.00 / 1)
a Democratic blog is not the same as a progressive blog.  

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Dev, if someone said... (0.00 / 0)
... that Gillibrand was anything less than the second coming of FDR, you'd consider an attack that left a sour taste in your mouth.

The statements above by Maloney are tame stuff. Clearly, she is raising doubts about Gillibrand, but if you think those legitimate questions she raises are "attacks," you're going to have a heart attack when this thing really gets going.


If Maloney is going to attack Gillibrand for opposing TARP... (4.00 / 4)
...this is over before it begins.

TARP is unpopular everywhere. Attacking someone for voting against it (especially when, in the case of Gillibrand, they gave actual thought out reasons instead of just parroting populist talking points) makes zero political sense.


Absolutely (4.00 / 3)
I mean c'mon, that was really dumb.

It also shows Maloney has no intention of running a campaign outside the city.  


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TARP Probably Isn't Even Popular There. (4.00 / 2)
Nobody likes TARP. People either oppose it, or support it so reluctantly that it's highly unlikely that they would find a vote against TARP a disqualifier.

This isn't the first time that Maloney has attacked Gillibrand for voting against TARP, and the fact that she continues to do so makes me wonder if she has any political sense at all. I guess she must to get have been elected to Congress to the first place, but really, I'm just baffled by this strategy.

It's a lot like running a statewide campaign in Alabama and attacking your opponent regularly for opposing same-sex marriage. Merits of the policy aside, it would be incredibly politically stupid.  


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and even if Maloney gets into a general (4.00 / 3)
pushing TARP opens her up to attacks from the Republicans.

I think Maloney will probably drop this argument, but still, if Gillibrand's team is smart, they'll push it. She just gave Gillibrand an opening...The Congresswoman from Citigroup.

I can't believe no one on Maloney's team didn't see this as a losing argument. You're trying to run to Gillibrand's left, so you attack her for having the same position on TARP as...Dennis Kucinich?  


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You call that an attack?? (0.00 / 1)
I call it someone finally standing up and pointing out how atrocious Gillibrand's record is.

Gillibrand is a total opportunistic flip flopper.  She's against gun control, then when it gets inconvenient for her, she drops her own fricking amendment and suddenly sees the light.

She's totally anti-immigrant, which always shocks me in a place like new york where people have come from all over the world to find the american dream.

and she worked for big tobacco for god's sake!!  How are we going to stand for an unelected Senator who made her money shilling for Phillip Morris?


Maloney must really be running, (4.00 / 2)
she got one of her staffers to register TODAY, in order to post a nearly incoherent anti-Gillibrand screed that would embarrass Hudson.

Stay classy, you guys.

And start updating your resumes.


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no, actually this is just the first time... (4.00 / 1)
I have felt motivated to post on this site.  

Why? my father is a long time smoker who started the habit before the same tobacco companies that Gillibrand represented admitted all the horrible health effects.  Now he's having a ton of health problems, like so many others.  and lawyers like Gillibrand protect them.  When she was appointed, that was the first thing I learned about her, so I looked a little deeper and discovered the immigration and gun issues...and that just sealed the deal.  I could never vote for her.

So, say what you will about TARP etc, this is about character too.  And working for tobacco companies that couldn't care less about people like my dad is just unacceptable.

We need a better choice.  I happen to like Maloney, but no matter who you support, we need to actually get the facts out there.


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Yeah I'm sure I believe that (0.00 / 0)


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yeah, you're right (4.00 / 1)
I just decided to concoct an elaborate story. I don't even have a father...

seriously, all you have to do is google gillibrand and tobacco and you'll see what I'm talking about.

For instance: http://www.timesunion.com/ASPS...


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Where's the story? (4.00 / 2)
Gillibrand says she is independent and not influenced by money from the Altria Group, Philip Morris's parent company.

In fact, the Columbia County Democrat, now seeking re-election, has voted in favor of all three bills pushed by anti-tobacco lobbyists and passed by the House of Representatives.

Yet, in Congress Gillibrand remains one of the bigger recipients of Altria funds.

So, what's the story here? She once worked for Phillip Morris, she received some donations from the tobacco industry, but she didn't deliver on their agenda?

That makes me think even more of her. She's NOT in the pocket of big tobacco after all.

and $23,000...did you see how much she raised in 2008...that's chump changed. Percentange wise, that's close to the amount Bernie Madoff gave Carolyn Maloney, who I don't think is a lackey for Madoff.  


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Great...she says she's not in their pocket... (0.00 / 0)
...so case closed?  

Keep reading.  I agree with this guy below.  It's about ethics.  If you can spend your career defending a company that knows it is giving people cancer and tries to cover it up, that speaks to your character.  It's blood money. Pure and simple.

Stanton Glantz, professor of medicine and director of the Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education at UCSF, disagreed. "I think it's highly relevant because she was an active advocate in one of the world's biggest tobacco companies against claims that they were manipulating the nicotine delivery in cigarettes."

He said he suspects Philip Morris is investing in her for the long term. The sums they've donated, he said, are significant. "These are very important things she was doing for them," he said. "I think this is definitely newsworthy. If she had done this 10 years ago and hadn't gotten a nickle from them, then I'd say, 'well, she was just a junior member of the law firm.' But they consider her their pal."

He and Buffalo-based Roswell Park Cancer Institute researcher Michael Cummings said her past work and acceptance of tobacco dollars speak to her ethics.

"Big law firms have other clients," said Cummings. "You could work for somebody else." He said no politician should accept money from Philip Morris.




[ Parent ]
Clearly you're not a young lawyer, or a young anyone (4.00 / 3)
and don't understand the need for a JOB.

I've worked for shady people, not because I wanted to,  because I had to, for experience and to pay bills. Hell, I've even worked for Republicans. Does that put my character in question? Because I needed a job. Some people don't have the luxury to be picky. I'm not interested in judging someone by what they did 20 years ago...if I did, then I'd question Maloney's progressiveness since she voted against Bill Clinton's budget in 1993.

Instead I judge on votes, and since entering Congress, Gillibrand has never sided with the tobacco industry in ANY legislation. That speaks to her character...one who isn't bought and sold.

Not like a certain someone who voted against cancelling a subsidy for the sugar industry, then hosting a fundraising event with the sugar industry the very next day.

I also find it funny to see people who criticized Hillary Clinton's vote for the Iraq War support someone who...voted for the Iraq War despite being in an overwhelmingly Democratic district.


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oh yeah, (0.00 / 0)
because after Dartmouth and UCLA she really had NO other options.  I feel terrible for her having to take that job.

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I have to say (4.00 / 1)
when she was appointed, that was the first thing you learned about her, but TODAY you signed up here to talk about it, five months after she was appointed and you learned this about her?


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You don't get to make your own facts. (4.00 / 1)
Gillibrand didn't "spend her career defending tobacco companies." As a very junior lawyer she worked for a firm which took their business, a decision she didn't have a say in. If you can tell your bosses what work you want to do or not do and still have a job, congratulations. For most people, including lawyers, it doesn't work that way.

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Adama, this Maloney troll (0.00 / 0)
registered today to pollute TAP comments with amped-up Maloney talking points.

He, presumably, clearly works for Maloney in some way, and should be called on that every time.


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Maloney's hands aren't clean either (0.00 / 0)
OpenSecrets says she received $2,000 from the tobacco industry...not much, but still something.

What's her excuse going to be? "Oh I didn't know"

oh wait, that's the excuse she's slamming Gillibrand for.


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Lawyers and Contributions (4.00 / 3)
If you can spend your career defending a company that knows it is giving people cancer and tries to cover it up, that speaks to your character.  It's blood money. Pure and simple.

And if you're a public defender representing people accused of murder, that speaks to your character too? Most defendants are guilty, you know. (And I mean that as a fact, not facetiously.)

First, it wasn't her "career," it was a client. Second, that's what lawyers do: provide zealous representation to their clients, whether they're companies or accused murderers. Any of us would want the same from our lawyers. It does not speak to the lawyer's character, other than that the lawyer is following his or her ethical obligations regarding representation.

As for whether "Philip Morris is investing in her for the long term," I'll note that Gillibrand is one of only three Senate cosponsors of the Fair Elections Now Act which would provide public campaign financing for congressional races. There are 52 cosponsors on the House side, Maloney not yet among them.


[ Parent ]
You may think people here will believe (4.00 / 1)
your conveniently-timed anti-Gillibrand sob story, but we do not.

OK, you may not be a Maloney staffer, but you are certainly on her payroll in some way.

As in working for Josh Isay, whose clients prior to Maloney included Bloomberg, Caroline Kennedy, and Joe LIEberman.

Sorry, I just do not believe in coincidences like your suddenly showing up here today with a handful of Maloney talking points, one day after Maloney unofficially launched her primary challenge.



[ Parent ]
It's a good thing Gillibrand (4.00 / 2)
voted for that anti-smoking legislation...AGAIN

Guess all that lobbying on behalf of Altria isn't working, huh?  


[ Parent ]
it's called Google... (4.00 / 1)
...miraculously when news happens and you search for more info, blog posts like these show up.

[ Parent ]
You might help your case... (4.00 / 1)
If you could conclusively state that you aren't in any way affiliated with Maloney or her communications firm.

[ Parent ]
He's lying about Gillibrand, and would (4.00 / 1)
naturally lie about who's paying him to do it.

We know what he is, and will remind TAP readers after every BS comment he makes.


[ Parent ]
I am not involved with Maloney... (4.00 / 1)
...or her communications firm.

It's kind of sad that you have to assume that when someone argues that there should be a democratic process and brings up valid criticisms of an appointed candidate that hasn't yet been fully vetted.  I'm sorry, but I'm having trouble just sitting back, shutting up, and forgetting that that we're supposed to have a CHOICE about who represents us.  No matter who you are voting for - and I don't even know yet, myself - we should have a real debate.


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First you say you're not for Gillibrand (4.00 / 1)
then you say you don't know who you're voting for...you're bouncing from talking point to talking point.

Is this what Maloney's campaign is going to be? When every talking point is discredited, she's going to fall back on "well, I'm running so we can have a choice...vote for me because...well, you can"

Why do I get the feeling this is going to be one pathetic campaign?


[ Parent ]
You act like there are only 2 candidates... (4.00 / 1)
in this race.  My point is that I hope there are more.  Tasini just announced.  And Cooper is clearly mulling a bid.  If we're going to have any real debate, I hope more step up.

[ Parent ]
lol seriously (0.00 / 0)
if you really don't want Gillibrand to win, then you're definitely not interested in a four way race.


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Don't bother lying about it, (4.00 / 1)
we do not believe you.

Maloney launching her campaign last night and you showing up here today is too coincidental, and convenient.  


[ Parent ]
Let's see what happens (0.00 / 0)
If all nysdem1980 ever posts about is the Senate race, like (cough, cough) certain Gillibrand supporters, this is likely astroturf.

If nysdem1980 develops an interest in other topics, this is either for real or at least a better grade of astroturf.

Too soon to know, I'd say.


[ Parent ]
If you're referring to me with the (cough, cough), (0.00 / 0)
or other Gillibrand supporters here like Andrew, Adama, nrafter530, Hyde, Jrathman, etc., you are wrong.

nysdem1980 started out here today with a series of Maloney-talking-points comments.

The coincidence of his (presumably) showing up here today, after Maloney's unofficial primary challenge announcement on NY1 last night is suspicious, as are his vehemence and his persistence.

Time will tell, obviously, but I believe I'm right about him.

 


[ Parent ]
Suspicious especially (4.00 / 1)
to us who have worked on campaigns before and know the drill when it comes to spreading your word via the blogs.  

[ Parent ]
I believe he's referring to fran20 and rrlieberma. (4.00 / 2)
Who, it's true, do seem to only post on Gillibrand-related articles. Frankly, I prefer not to make assumptions about the motivations of various posters, simply because making those assumptions can lead to paranoia with regard to new members of the community. Sometimes people only talk about one race or issue because that's all their interested in for whatever reason.

And yes, sometimes it could well be astroturf. But in any case, there's no real way around that without closing the community. All that can be done is people keep a vigilant eye towards fact checking.  


[ Parent ]
yep - that's the core of it (0.00 / 0)
similar timing, not much but talking points, focused only on a single issue.  There have been a couple of others, but they seemed to fade.

I think they've been here long enough that it's clear they're astroturf.  I don't think that's true of most of the Gillibrand supporters, nor do I think nysdem1980 has been here long enough for anyone to tell whether it's true.


[ Parent ]
Watch for swarms and broken records (4.00 / 2)
I've got nothing against an astroturf participant who is intelligent and sensible; the problems arise when they swarm and just parrot the talking points, or use multiple identities to try to alter discussions.  And best to be open and disclose biases that arise out of money or blood.  So, I'm happy to listen to the occassional Maloney astroturf, so long as I can also make fun of some of their positions now and then.  Like that tobacco stuff - that's a Dem taking on Rush Limbaugh tactics, and they should be ashamed of themselves.

[ Parent ]
What tipped me (4.00 / 1)
was the use of the word "atrocious," which is wildly inaccurate, in his very first sentence.

[ Parent ]
Whenever you think of prunes (4.00 / 1)
think of Carolyn Maloney.

What the f--k does that mean? (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
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