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Carolyn Maloney: Progressive?

by: NYBri

Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 11:23:06 AM EDT


When I read Joe Trippi or any one of several other of Carolyn Maloney's online supporters make the case for Maloney's impending challenge against our incumbent Senator, Kirsten Gillibrand, by stating, that Maloney is a "true progressive," I am a bit skeptical.

Rather than accept those statements as fact, I think people should take a look at her voting record. That's where I always look...and I want to share with you what I found, which is some pretty interesting stuff.

More after the flip.

NYBri :: Carolyn Maloney: Progressive?
As Swing State Project revealed back in March, Carolyn Maloney is among the top 30 Democratic members of Congress whose records are significantly more conservative than the voting patterns of their districts. The fact is, despite representing the 31st most liberal district in the country (NY-14, making up the Upper East Side of Manhattan and part of Queens,) Maloney has not really been a reliable progressive, especially back during the dark days of the early Bush years when it really counted.

As you can see below, on some of the most important votes of the last 10 years, Carolyn Maloney has veered away from progressive values time and time again.

1. The first, of course, is the biggie: Maloney voted for Bush's war.

In 2002, Maloney voted for the resolution allowing Bush to use force against Iraq. Most of the representatives in surrounding districts voted No. The city was fervently against the war. Nationwide, only 3 representatives with more liberal districts voted yes on the war. In fact, in her floor speech, Maloney boasted about the thousands of people who protested against the war in her district, and then she voted against those protests.

Of course, like most Democrats who voted for the war, Maloney ultimately came to oppose it and cultivated quite an anti-war persona, even pledging back in 2007 not to vote for any war funding bills that didn't include funding for withdrawal. But just last month, she broke that pledge with her vote for the most recent supplemental.

2. Maloney voted for The Patriot Act.

This one is a tough one for me. I, like many others, really didn't like this bill one bit. But, in 2001, Carolyn Maloney voted for that original Patriot Act, which expanded law enforcement's power to investigate suspected terrorists. Among many provisions, the bill allowed disclosure of wiretap information among certain government officials and authorized limited disclosure of secret grand jury information to certain government officials. Additionally, the bill authorized the use of roving wiretaps, in which officials were allowed to tap whatever telephone a person used instead of one telephone at a time. Like I said, that one was tough.

3. In more than one vote, Maloney voted to dismantle our financial regulatory framework

In 1999, Maloney joined the majority in voting for the Financial Services Modernization Act, which repealed part of The Glass Stegall Act, a landmark in financial regulation. Then, in 2000, Maloney voted for the Commodities Modernization Act, which, among other things, created the Enron loophole and contributed to food and energy price spikes in 2008. It also explicitly barred the SEC from regulating credit default swaps. It seems that throughout her career, Maloney's votes has helped dismantle the careful regulatory framework that created in the 1930s and in so doing has contributed to the crisis in which we currently find ourselves. As a senior member of the Financial Services Committee, much of the Republican-led de-regulation of the last 10 years has taken place under her watch.

4. Maloney Voted in Favor of Republican Bill to Build a 700 Mile Border Fence along the US/Mexico border.  

In 2006, at the height of the anti-immigrant/Lou Dobbs hysteria, Maloney voted for The Secure Fence Act of 2006, which would require the Homeland Security Department to authorize the construction of approximately 700 miles of fencing along the U.S.-Mexican border. The Democratic split was 64 in favor and 131 opposed with Maloney in the minority of the caucus. Among her fellow Manhattan representatives, only Anthony Weiner joined her in voting for this bill.

5. Carolyn Maloney voted for Permanent Normal Trade Relation Status For China

New York is the most pro-union state in the country, but in May 2000, Maloney voted for a bill that would grant permanent normal trade relation (PNTR) status to China. The bill was strongly opposed by organized labor. Here's how The United Auto Workers (UAW) referred to their campaign to defeat the bill's passage:

We emphasized that the U.S.-China trade deal did not require China to recognize basic worker and human rights. And it also lacked adequate safeguards against surges of Chinese imports that could threaten the jobs of American workers. For these reasons, we believed it made no sense for Congress to grant China a 'blank check' by eliminating the annual congressional review of its trade status.

So, as with all characterizations about elected officials, the next time you read a comment or a diary about Carolyn Maloney's "progressive" credentials, you should be a bit skeptical. Look at the record. Considering her district, Maloney should be way more progressive than she votes, and, as you can see by the several votes I list above, Carolyn Maloney isn't quite as progressive as some would like you to believe.

Just sayin'.

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Thank you Brian, for this excellent summary (4.00 / 4)
which confirms my suspicions.  If they run a negative campaign, I'll never forgive her, or Trippi for that matter.  I'll stick with my DFA-list candidate, thankyouverymuch.

 


I think it will definitely be a negative campaign. (4.00 / 4)
While I'm not wild about the stuff on this list, I tend to be forgiving of a lot of things, since any representative has votes which I'm likely to disagree with. However, one thing that I never take lightly is when somebody chooses to run a negative campaign in a primary.

Given everything, I think it says a lot about the respective candidates that the Gillibrand people haven't preemptively brought out the heavy artillery against Maloney, despite the fact that they have more material to work with than Maloney's people do.

As writer for GLOWDemocrats.com and a sometimes contributor to TAP, I've been on the receiving end of the Gillibrand campaign's spin, and I can say this--they've been remarkably restrained in any attempts to entice us into to hiting back at Maloney for them.  


[ Parent ]
Maloney's Baloney: a "liberal" voting record (4.00 / 1)
Maloney  has never been required to stay true to a progressive agenda because she's never been truly challenged by a strong candidate in her District.  She's essentially gotten a "pass" which explains, in part, why she is so popular with her mentor, Nancy Pelosi.  Pelosi knows she can count on Maloney for a right-of-center vote whenever she needs one.  Since the news media in New York have abandoned their historic job of research and true reporting, there's no where to go for the facts anymore.  Thanks to NYBri for a good research job!

wow these threads are predictable (0.00 / 0)


Predictable? (0.00 / 0)
I agree.  They are predictable.

[ Parent ]
The simple fact that Trippi is helping her ... (4.00 / 1)
makes me aware that she will lose.  Can anyone tell me the last time a Trippi candidate won a contested election?

Anyone?


Huh ... i'm answering my own question ... (4.00 / 1)
It seems that it was John Hall in '06.  Ditto Jerry Brown.  

It seems the people he helps win are already well-known entities before they hire him.  So the question should really be, has any relatively unknown to the public Trippi candidate won a contested election?


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Trippi's OK (0.00 / 0)
Trippi is a professional politico, but he's OK and would be on my short-list, though probably not at the very top of it, to run a progressive campaign.  I wouldn't fault Maloney for hiring him: it is a respectible choice.  His clients abroad include many outright socialists; if anything, you could say he's let his heart take him to the left of where his business sense would go.  

As to losing, yes, he has had a number of pretty prominent losses over the years, but they've been serious candidates who often ran good campaigns. He's not the guy who runs inspired campaigns that come from nowhere, but most operatives who do that only do it once or twice, and then become a Joe Trippi running good solid but uninspired campaigns.


[ Parent ]
Thanks, NYBri (4.00 / 3)
"Don't confuse me with the facts" is always a poor approach.

Say it like it is: the Maloney challenge is about style.  She's a downstate type-- Gillibrand is an upstater.  I, actually, like that.  But, it is the record that we should base substance decisions on.


Very selective inventory, Brian. (0.00 / 0)
In your new quest to support any and all members of the Democratic establishment, you have focused solely and selectively on those examples which could be used against Maloney. I expect honesty from you: Why didn't you explore her full record? And when will you find fault with Gillibrand for many of her Blue Dog positions.

Very disappointed in your turn away from true reform, to flacking for those in power.


When Gillibrand takes Blue Dog positions (4.00 / 1)
I'll personally point them out...but Maloney seems to be running to the right of her on healthcare.  

[ Parent ]
Selective inventory? (4.00 / 3)
That selective inventory includes arguably the most important votes Congress has had over the last decade. The PATRIOT Act is still with us today and was reactionary to Sept. 11. The Iraq War vote is a vote that some of those who did vote to support the effort now regret. The partial repeal of Glass-Stegall was one of the major contributing factors to our current economic crisis.

That's not a selective inventory, Hudson. That list includes some of the most important votes Maloney has made in the House. And she was on the wrong side of every single one of them.

As for the last line, once you start bordering on personal attacks Hudson is where I draw the line. Disagreeing with Brian is one thing. Accusing him of "flacking" for those in power is absurd. Anyone who knows anything knows that Brian has long been a supporter of Gillibrand's. So if you are surprised by that support, understand that his support has been in place for a few years now.

Let's keep this to Gillibrand-Maloney. There is plenty to debate there. If you want to debate who is the better progressive, yourself or Brian, then we can put that up for a community vote and see who comes out on top.

Being a progressive is more than just telling the world you are a progressive. You actually have to show it. That goes for Maloney too.


[ Parent ]
Sigh (4.00 / 3)
"In your new quest to support any and all members of the Democratic establishment..."

Hudson, give me a break.  

We've got some work ahead of us.


[ Parent ]
I found it useful (0.00 / 0)
I find this useful as an antidote to the blind reliance on percentage rankings, and find the notion that a relevant data point is a candidate's tilt as compared to that of their district's quite compelling.  I chalk up the Wall Street votes to serving her constituents (consider them her equivalent of guns), but find the votes for the war and for the fence quite disturbing.  Given your numerous posts on Gillibrand's immigration fliers, I would think that fence vote would raise issues for you.  

I suspect we'll know all their questionable votes pretty well by the time this is over.


[ Parent ]
At this point (4.00 / 3)
I'm voting for Gillibrand. I don't have a lot of sine qua nons except choice and equal opportunity for all Americans, but her embrace of Dan Choi took, I think, courage.

She wrote a diary about DADT on DKos; that clinched it for me.  


Maloney tells Jane Hamser at Firedoglake (4.00 / 2)
that she would vote for a healthcare bill without a public option if she had to...

FAIL

Didn't she realize her base on the left would be turned off by such a response. Gillibrand might actually have to vote for a bill with no public option as it's possible one won't pass the Senate with one and would have to be put in in conference. Maloney missed a grand opportunity.

More proof to me that this isn't about moderates and progressives, it's about geography.  


Thoughts on Maloney... (4.00 / 2)
I believe Maloney has been a great representative and is a progressive. But once you start touting yourself as the progressive alternative, people are going to start digging.

The Iraq War vote bothers me a little bit, but there are plenty of progressives who voted for the war. While it's something I certainly disagreed with at the time and dislike now, she wasn't the only one.

The Patriot Act vote also bothers me, but like the Iraq War vote, there were progressives who voted for that. Even Paul Wellstone was guilty of voting for that.

But what I think is the most important vote that should raise serious questions about her progressiveness is the vote to dial back Glass-Stegall. We talked a lot about that during the 2008 presidential election and how that one vote has helped in creating the current economic mess we are in now. While the other votes are certainly important and worth talking about, nothing would hurt her in the current climate more than the vote to repeal parts of Glass-Stegall.

Maloney has been a great representative according to friends who live in the district. But if she is going to try and push herself as a progressive, she is going to have to show it. So far, it's Gillibrand who has been siding with Dan Choi on DADT and coming out with other progressive stances that are tough to disagree with.

When Jane Hamsher, who I have great respect for, asks Maloney where she stands on a public option and Maloney says she would be willing to vote for something that doesn't include a public option, then Maloney forfeits any sort of progressive stance on health care. Sorry, but a vote that doesn't include a public option is a vote to approve the current state of health care. And such a vote isn't very progressive.


Agree (4.00 / 3)
And, when a NYC-based representative votes the way that the finance-sector titans would like (as per, Glass-Stegall repeal), one has to wonder how beholden to those interests s/he might be.  Given how much those folks have available to give in campaign contributions, it is certainly a pitfall for any NY rep....

But, it is arguable that our Senior Senator is already too beholden to those interests.... so, in particular, progressives should favor a candidate for Junior Senator who has some independence from Wall St. and the bankers.  Gillibrand, who can raise significant funds elsewhere, is a good choice.


[ Parent ]
There is something about... (4.00 / 3)
New York City representatives and ties to Wall Street that bother me. I don't care about political parties. With that much money out there, it's not hard for those representatives to be bought.

I would agree with the sentiment that Schumer is too tight with Wall Street. It's no different than those who represent districts or states in Appalachia being tight with Big Coal. There is a serious problem with the ties that exist there. That needs to change.

 


[ Parent ]
I'd love to see someone primary Schumer (4.00 / 2)
but the fortress he's built seems too impregnable, I guess.

[ Parent ]
I'd love to see it too... (4.00 / 1)
So long as that challenger isn't a token challenger and is a serious contender that would force Schumer to be on his toes. A serious primary contender can shake up some representatives and make them afraid of a primary challenge again (if they survive the first one).

[ Parent ]
Obviously, Gillibrand is seen as the (0.00 / 0)
softer target by Democrats with Senatorial ambitions.

[ Parent ]
Not very flattering (4.00 / 3)
I found this profile of Congresswoman Maloney to be very informative and more than a little unsettling:

http://www.politickerny.com/44...


I'll Add One More (0.00 / 0)
Maloney was one of only 126 to vote against the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention And Consumer Protection Act of 2005 (if anyone can find some consumer protection there, let me know; it may have been a typo). My understanding is that it was a pretty terrible bill, so she gets progressive points for that one.

More attention (4.00 / 1)
Here's a piece from today's Daily Beast about this race:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/b...


The problem with some of the numbers (4.00 / 1)
I'm not saying I disagree with the conclusion, just that some (not all) of the numbers being discussed are less than accurate.

First:  A lot of the money that would be raised for this race, were Maloney to challenge Gillibrand, is money that would not be raised for another race, especially one in another state.  So the idea that all of this money could be used to help Democrats in other areas isn't completely true.

Second:  If this became a hotly contested primary, there is a good chance that Republicans will pour a lot of money that would otherwise have gone elsewhere into challenging the primary winner -- and probably lose.

The net result could be (in my opinion probably won't be, but could be) that Republicans waste more money on this race than Democrats, meaning that if Maloney does challenge Gillibrand it could help Democrats in the end.

There's another possibility -- that Maloney and Gillibrand raise a ton of money between them, that Maloney ends up not challenging Gillibrand, and that they both pass most of their money on to the DCCC and DSCC where it can be used to help Democrats around the country.  If I were a conspiracy theorist I might actually believe that this is what the whole thing is all about.


All Very Good Points (4.00 / 1)
Very good points, Dan.

As for your last possibility, we may know soon enough. If she's running, it seems likely that she'd announce shortly after her fundraiser with Clinton on Monday.


[ Parent ]
Hmm. (0.00 / 0)
If you were a DCCC or DSCC strategist, you would be doing a good job if you convinced them to do that.  Quite clever.

[ Parent ]
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