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Hearing hijack halted: Leahy rebuffs Gilly

by: Hudson

Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 18:17:32 PM EDT


Imagine if Carolyn Maloney or Jonathan Tasini had been publicly rebuffed by a prominent Democrat -- the establishment-loving diarists here at The Albany Project would have been all over it in minutes.

But when that very thing happens to an appointed Senator elevated by an unelected Governor, TAP's partisans go silent. So for the record, let's start with Dave Halbfinger of The New York Times:

[O]n Monday, as Ms. Gillibrand enjoyed a rare moment in the national spotlight - formally introducing Sonia Sotomayor at the judge's confirmation hearing for the Supreme Court - no staff members or hooks were at hand. And Ms. Gillibrand suffered an even greater indignity: She got the gavel.

Ms. Gillibrand was just over 6 minutes and 15 seconds into what was to have been her five-minute speech when the Senate Judiciary chairman, Patrick J. Leahy, first tried to cut her off, gently rapping his gavel, but he failed to get the senator's attention as she quoted Justice Antonin Scalia - or as she put it, "Anthony Scalia" - on the subject of ethnicity and prejudice.

When she pressed on to quote Justice Clarence Thomas, however, Mr. Leahy interjected. "Senator, we're going to have to put your full statement in the record so that Judge Sotomayor can be heard," he said.

"May I conclude my remarks?" Ms. Gillibrand replied, smiling gamely.

"If it can be done in the next few seconds, Senator," Mr. Leahy allowed.

"Yep. One minute," Ms. Gillibrand said.

But Mr. Leahy protested this apparent bait-and-switch.

"Twenty seconds," Ms. Gillibrand countered, as Mr. Leahy, nonplussed, sat back frowning and folded his arms.

At which Ms. Gillibrand cut to the last sentence of her prepared speech.

Evidently Leahy specifically told both Schumer and Gillibrand that five minutes was the limit, but this didn't deter the appointed junior Senator.

Hudson :: Hearing hijack halted: Leahy rebuffs Gilly
Halbfinger correctly notes this logorrhea is not a new thing for Gillibrand:

Senator Kirsten E. Gillibrand's taste for talking a subject to death has prompted her audiences to fidget, her staff to flash signals, her allies to whisper in her ear and her hosts to flat-out interrupt her. If there were an unobtrusive way to give her the hook, doubtless a staff member would carry one at all times.

Next up, Glenn Thrush of Politico:

Sonia Sotomayor's first big moment in the national spotlight was short and sweet.

Kirsten Gillibrand's was neither.

In a move that induced cringes in the press gallery during Monday's Judiciary Committee hearing, Chairman Pat Leahy (D-Vt.) cut the New York Democrat off in the middle of an extremely long introductory statement on Sotomayor.

Gillibrand, a rookie, apparently missed Leahy's cue to wrap it up - a slight banging of his gavel that indicated she was violating the five-minute rule on introductory spiels.

When he told her to stop, she requested more time.

The New York Daily News sees fit to devote an editorial to the topic which TAP loyalists would prefer remain unmentioned:

Kirsten Gillibrand takes a backseat to no one in having her say.

And her say. And her say. And her say.

She made the most of it yesterday in the national spotlight as one of two senators introducing Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor.

And the most of it. And the most of it.

Six and a half minutes into her allotted five, fellow Democrat Patrick Leahy, Judiciary Committee chairman, rapped his gavel. Gillibrand motored on.

After a few seconds more, Leahy grumbled: "Senator, we're going to have to put your full statement in the record so that Judge Sotomayor can be heard."

Long Island Business News likewise notes that this is not an isolated incident:

The day she was introduced by Gov. David Paterson as his choice to replace Hillary Rodham Clinton [Gillibrand] rolled on for more than 25 minutes before being interrupted by Paterson, who told her President Obama was calling to congratulate her.

In running down the winners and losers from day one of the hearings, The Washington Post's deems Gillibrand a loser:

"Gillibrand had a chance to shine today as one of the two senators chosen to formally introduce Sotomayor. But, Gillibrand wound up getting cut off by Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) and managed to call Justice Antonin Scalia 'Anthony.'

[NOTE: Gillibrand similarly botched Arlen Specter's name in a press release seeking to gain points for herself from his party-switch.]

NBC News in New York City notes the rebuff was highly unusual, suggesting perhaps that the newly-minted Senator has not endeared herself to her colleagues:

It was a striking moment in the clubby Senate, where members typically show enormous deference to each other - particularly to senators of the same party, and even more so when on live national television.

Now, I might let this one go -- had I not been bombarded in recent weeks by emails and blogs posts from Kirsten and her staff, trying to make the Sotomayor nomination all about Gillibrand. We had the photos and press releases all about her at lunch with her patron, Chuck Schumer, and the future justice... (Indeed, that luncheon was breathlessly blogged here by Todd Beaton, who is doing internet "outreach" for the Blue Dog Senator.) And then we had the emails urging us to watch her on C-Span, "paid for by Gillibrand for Senate."

Earth to my neighbor over in Greenport: The Sotomayor nomination is not about you. The President did not pick a judge from New York because he was mindful of your need to hijack most everything that happens for your own 2010 campaign purposes. He picked her because she was the right person for this crucial role in our society. Newly-elected Senator and Judiciary Committee member Al Franken (whose victory over Norm Coleman you also tried to exploit for your campaign) understood that this was a moment to be humble and straightforward in his new Congressional role. Why didn't you?

Yesterday's event was an historic moment for a powerful woman who has earned her way step by step, on the strength of her own intellect, from the bottom up. I'm talking about Judge Sotomayor. Not Kirsten Gillibrand.

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Cue the Gillibrand online defense force (0.00 / 0)
Dev, I will be most disappointed if you don't characterize this as an "attack."

Oh, and in other news ignored by TAP... (0.00 / 0)
New York Newsday's editorial board came out today strongly in favor of a robust New York primary for the junior Senatorial seat:

http://www.newsday.com/news/op...


Other headlines of note: (0.00 / 0)

The Washington Independent:
"Gillibrand Seeks Ride on Sotomayor's Robe"

Rochester Turning:
"Gillibrand Messes Up During the Sotomayor Introduction"

Politicker New York:
"Gillibrand Unintentionally Filibusters Sotomayor Hearing"

The Huffington Post:
"Gillibrand Bungles Sotomayor Introduction"


Gee Hudson... (4.00 / 1)
A few things:

(1) I'm glad to see you actually writing posts now. Whether I agree with you or not, I'm glad you realized that you can take advantage of the account you have here to write posts just like the rest of us.

(2) In between the mentions about Gillibrand and the hearing yesterday, I don't know what your goal is here: Bash Gillibrand or attack the bloggers here who support Gillibrand? It's one thing to support someone else and disagree with others. It's another to go on a crusade against those individuals.

(3) Having watched hundreds of hearings over the last few years (especially at college where I had two C-SPAN channels), what happened yesterday was not some fluke thing. I have seen it occur many times. Acting as if she turned a five minute time limit into a 10 minute spiel or longer is a exaggerating what happened yesterday. By all accounts, she was seconds (30 seconds, I believe) beyond her alloted time. I have seen other senators and representatives, either on the floor of the House or Senate, go on for similar times. So to act as if Gillibrand going over her time is some rare occurrence in Congress would be ignorant of all of us, whether we like her or not.


Duh, Robert. (0.00 / 0)
Apparently you missed my many diaries, for example, on the Murphy-Tedisco vote count, which were frontpaged by Philip et al.

Might want to check someone's user history before making such off-point and erroneous attacks. It makes you look not merely partisan, but frankly, well... foolish.

In any case, Gillibrand was at least 6 minutes 30 seconds (according to multiple news accounts) into her monologue, and Leahy made signals to her that she was overtime which she ignored. Gillibrand showed no sign of stopping any time soon, and it is relevant because of her history of putting her own advancement first in her politics.

The point is that Gillibrand has been trying to piggyback on every positive event for Democrats (from Al Franken to Sotomayor) for her own campaign purposes. I know, because I donated $250 to her once -- and evidently will never, ever stop getting her fundraising emails. I would like a Senator who puts the business of the country before her own personal advancement.


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Yea...I don't understand the attack on TAP (4.00 / 1)
Since you, as part of this community, are PART of TAP.  Don't see the posts you want?  Write them.  Sheesh.

I don't think it's that simple (4.00 / 1)
as I'd be surprised to see this reach the front page anytime soon, whereas assorted other pro-Gillibrand pieces do, regularly.  (And no, I don't have such powers.)

Maybe this will suddenly jump, but "write your own piece" is a pretty incomplete answer.


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Write your own piece... (4.00 / 1)
Isn't an incomplete answer considering this is a community. When you write diaries at Daily Kos or MyDD, do they always make the front page? No. If we were to grant everyone who signs up here front-page access, we would surely end up with trolls having the ability to write diaries that would do nothing but inflame and instigate. That's not what we need.

The ones who have written pro-Gillibrand pieces include myself, NYBri and Devtob. All of us are front-pagers. So there isn't a promotion conspiracy where only certain diaries are promoted.

Plus, only a couple of people here have the power to promote. Even I don't have that power. Phillip does, but he's been busy (his lack of posting should tell you that) and Brian does, but while he has written a couple of posts, he does have a day job.


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I'm not saying that there's a "conspiracy" (4.00 / 1)
but for visitors coming through who mostly see the front page, it's easy to see why they'd think it was "The Gillibrand Project".

In nitpicks, I don't think devtob is actually a front-pager, though I'd like him to be.  (Ditto for Adama, though that would also increase the Gillibrand support.)  

The promotion that I really marveled at was the letter of people discouraging Maloney from running.  First time (only time?) poster, instant promotion.

I'd love to see stats comparing traffic on diaries and traffic on the front page.  Somehow I suspect it's not remotely even.  Using diaries for troll-control is a good idea in theory - but the result feels one-sided.


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But this isn't "The Gillibrand Project"... (4.00 / 2)
And while it might be cool for those with a pro or anti-Gillibrand bias to think that, it would be a label that ignores the nearly three years of writing this blog has had discussing several different issues impacting New Yorkers and progressives alike.

When you have something as high-profile as a U.S. Senate race, people are going to take sides. I know that there are people who are members here that are undecided. I know that there are people here who support Gillibrand, Maloney or Tasini. Just because those of us who support Gillibrand have chosen to actually turn our support into posts shouldn't be a crime. I have seen very little in terms of pro-Maloney diaries. Is that because those people don't exist? No. It's because they aren't writing.

I won't let the dozen or so Gillibrand posts I have written over the last few months define who I am as a front-pager. My work last year and the work I have done here since October 2007 tells a much bigger story. My support for Gillibrand is based on personal experiences and personal beliefs. That is something I refuse to be attacked for.


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it's about the site, not about you (4.00 / 1)
And please, try reading the front page without concluding this site is cheering on Gillibrand.  I don't think it's actually possible NOT to get that impression.

[ Parent ]
Yes, but I am part of the site... (4.00 / 1)
Therefore, whether you like it or not, it's about me. It's about Brian, too. It's about Dev. It's about all of us.

You can say that the front-page is pro-Gillibrand, but if you and others aren't doing anything about it, then whose problem is that? The front-page could be balanced if we had all the same people who complain in the comments writing posts (especially those with front-page access, like yourself) explaining their positions.

I have done that already. I have explained why I support Gillibrand. Others have too. For that, we get applied the label "The Gillibrand Project" just because a few of us happen to support the junior senator.


[ Parent ]
I suppose I could start posting pieces promoting other candidates (0.00 / 0)
but since I support Gillibrand and don't really like her opponents much, that would be difficult.

I guess we're stuck with "The Gillibrand Project" until some of her opponents write diaries that those with promotion powers deign to allow on the front page.  And we need to acknowledge that we look that way.

In particular, calls to prevent a primary don't square at all with the whole "behind that door are three men in a room... This belongs to you.  Take it back..." theme.  

I have to say that that dissonance is what has me complaining.  It does damage to the supposed core mission of the site in the long run.


[ Parent ]
Funny you say that... (2.00 / 2)
Considering this post, while not a bad idea (nothing wrong with being critical of the Senator for her faux pas during the Sotomayor introduction), comes off as an attempt to troll readers.  If Hudson was interested in an actual discussion, he'd have omitted the incendiary/over-dramatic opening, and just provided his analysis (which is well-placed).

Of course, if the tin-foil hat fits...


[ Parent ]
given the context of the conversation (4.00 / 1)
I'm impressed that Hudson managed to be as polite as he was, frankly.

[ Parent ]
heh, true... (4.00 / 1)
but he's still just begging to get into a shouting match, rather than providing commentary and reasoned analysis, which would be a way to actually get some discussion on the issues he raised (and not the nature of his post).  I mean, you can't blame people for having a preference one way or the other, especially in something that can be as divisive as a primary.  However, to lash out the way he does is a disservice to the discourse.  There are certainly partisans on TAP, no doubt, but to lash out like this provides only shouting, and no discourse.  Last I checked, "Crossfire" was cancelled for a reason.

[ Parent ]
User ID (0.00 / 0)
I've been here almost as long as anyone, donated and liveblogged Brian's campaign, etc.. So it is pretty funny to be accused of trolling.

It just comes across as more evidence that those supporting Gillibrand will say and do anything to attack the messenger and divert from the issues.


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You don't need to be a sock-puppet to be a troll, Hudson. (0.00 / 0)
And the fact that your diary was so inflammatory and deliberately trying to needle other contributors indicates that yes, your main motivation was more getting people angry than conveying information.  

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