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NY-23: Democrats Pick Bill Owens To Run For Seat Vacated By McHugh

by: robert.harding

Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 21:27:49 PM EDT


(UPDATE: This is what I have been able to find out about Owens so far. On the issue of abortion, he is pro-choice. On marriage equality, he believes that is a civil rights issue but isn't a proponent of marriage equality, at least not as of yet. He is a resident of Plattsburgh and moved there when he retired from the Air Force.)

The nomination of Rep. John McHugh to serve as Secretary of the Army - a move that is being blocked by a couple of Republican senators along with other appointments - has opened the 23rd congressional district up and the race is underway. And with the Republicans and Conservatives putting up separate candidates, this is a race that we can win.

After gathering today in the North Country, the 11 county chairs have selected Bill Owens to run on the Democratic line. This has been confirmed by Oswego Democrat, who was on the scene and waited for the decision to come down.

Owens entered the fray a few weeks ago and made it known he was interested. He acknowledges that he is an independent, but he has distanced himself from Republican thinking.

Owens was a favorite of the DCCC's and it's easy to see why. Owens is an independent voice and will be able to appeal to voters on all sides in the district. That can't be said of the Republican candidate (Dede Scozzafava) or the Conservative candidate (Doug Hoffman).

Here's some more from the Press-Republican on Owens:

The longtime attorney has been with the law firm of Stafford, Owens, Curtin & Trombley PLLC, the firm of former State Sen. Ronald B. Stafford, an icon in the Republican Party.

"I've been an independent since I was 18," Owens said.

"People who think I was a Republican all these years don't know me well enough."

Owens has also served as a host on Mountain Lake Public Television news shows.

He said he wants to join Congress so he can fight for the people of the North Country.

"I think it is time that we get people in Congress who are going to look out for the people in their districts," he said.

"The deficit, jobs, health care, these are the issues that are on people's minds."

While I agree with Scozzafava on issues like marriage equality and abortion, I can't see myself agreeing with her on much else. She is, after all, a Republican. She will need to appeal to the base and if the NRCC sees this race as another attempt at trying to crack President Barack Obama's armor.

But without the Conservative Party line, it will be tough. That will take votes away, especially if Doug Hoffman makes an issue of Scozzafava's stances on marriage equality and abortion.

That is where Owens comes in. He is a voice for independence and he will provide voters with a clear choice. Yes, he's running on the Democratic line. But he provides voters with an option: Either you can support the politics of the past or you can vote in favor of change and balance.

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This is going to be a bizarre election (0.00 / 0)
Owens is a guy that everyone thought is a Republican.

Scozzafava is a Republican who, as of yet, hasn't taken any stances of a traditional Republican.

Can someone give me a reason why I should support Owens?  And don't say "because he's running on the Democratic line."  That same reasoning goes for supporting Espada, Monserrate, etc etc.  Party labels in a situation like this are not the end all be all.


I'll need to look at this stances (4.00 / 1)
but basically if he's even where Scozzafava is at all, then he should win...for the mere reasons that 1.) he'll be in the majority, 2.) it's an extra vote for Pelosi and one more seat the GOP has to win to get back into power and 3.) He'll be easier to influence because Scozzafava is going to be under extreme pressure from the right to move right, if she isn't already there.

I assume healthcare will be passed by the time this election happens, so I'm extremely interested in immigration, EFCA, DADT, DOMA, and whatever other issues are on Obama's first term agenda.

The fun thing about this is that Owens HAS to come out for gay marriage, abortion rights, etc.

How many swing House seats have had two candidates running against each other who support gay marriage...the issue is evolving.  


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I wouldn't compare Owens... (4.00 / 1)
To Espada and Monserrate. There is a difference between having ideological differences and those who are corrupt and only are interested in serving themselves.

In the case of Owens, he is someone that the DCCC thought would be a strong candidate for this seat. You also have to remember that 11 county chairs decided to back him. So that tells me that there is something there that they like. They wouldn't back this guy if they didn't have faith in him to be a Democrat.


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This will be fascinating. (4.00 / 2)
I love special elections, they're always fun because they focus so much on one race; nothings competing for attention.

This to me will be even better because of the three candidates.

Am I correct in assuming that we won't have a date until McHugh resigns? So it probably wont be until December or January?

We'll be talking about this for months.


Agreed (4.00 / 1)
This will draw a lot of attention. They are aiming at having it on Election Day in November, so what is normally a day for local elections will turn into quite a contest in NY-23. The blocking on McHugh's (and other) appointment(s) in the U.S. Senate will only last so long. Eventually, McHugh will resign and start serving in his post.


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ActBlue (0.00 / 0)
A contribution page is open on ActBlue.

Pretty healthy contributions so far.


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How can TAP support Owens? (0.00 / 0)
This will be my first post but I have followed TAP for a few years now.

I am honestly shocked at the instinctive support by some  for Owens because he is the candidate of the DCCC and the county chairs. Owens has never been a Democrat (something he seems to be proud of). Moreover, he has only been a candidate for a couple of days and he has already come out against same-sex marriage and a healthcare public option. See http://www.politickerny.com/48... How can the TAP community, which normally espouses progressive ideals, be in support of a candidate that is to the right of his Republican opponent? It really just baffles my mind.

I didn't mind the squabble between Maloney and Gillibrand supporters, but at least both of them supported progressive issues, like real healthcare reform, etc. And while Gillibrand might have tacked to the right to represent her district, at least she was always a Dem.

We are making a HUGE mistake, as a party, by nominating Owens. As if things stand today, I would be more likely to support Scozzafava over Owens.


Well its all there is to go on as of today (0.00 / 0)
If they are the best candidate, how could you not support them?

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Issues come first (0.00 / 0)
The rationale is simple. I will not support anyone based on party affiliation alone. A whole host of factors come into play, first and foremost is a candidate's stance on the issues I care about, followed by ability to win and party affiliation.  

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Okay... (4.00 / 1)
If issues come first, I wouldn't be passing judgment so soon. I know a little about Owens, and I can't say I'm against him on everything. The marriage equality thing is one issue, but at least he's not firmly against it. Again, Darrel Aubertine was. But that's why we don't define candidates on a couple of issues.


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I wouldn't state with certainty... (0.00 / 0)
That he is "to the right of his Republican opponent." Based on what? All we know of his Republican opponent is that she is pro-choice and pro-marriage equality. Owens is pro-choice. While he might not be in favor of full-blown marriage equality, he does believe it is a civil rights issue and believes that more rights need to be granted. Is that to the right of Scozzafava? Sure. But it's not exactly a conservative viewpoint.

I also wouldn't state with certainty that we support Owens. Is he my ideal candidate? No. But this is the same community that backed Darrel Aubertine for SD-48 last year and we put aside his stance on social issues because his vote on so many other pressing issues would be with us. He's not the most progressive choice, but he was the right choice for the district. With more information, we could say the same for Owens and NY-23.

Here's the truth: You run a progressive candidate in NY-23, you lose. Sorry for the dose of reality. I see Owens as a solid moderate who actually makes more sense as a candidate for Congress than Aubertine. While he doesn't support a public option, let's remember that he won't be taking office for months. The election is projected to take place in November and we are expected, if we succeed, to pass health care prior to that. So his support/opposition of a public option means nothing UNLESS this fight drags itself out.

I am more interested in learning about the total package. What does he support? What is he against? I'm not interested in judging him on three issues. He's on the right side of abortion, in the middle on marriage equality and on the wrong side of health care. That's not exactly a conservative Republican or liberal Democrat. That's what he is: A moderate independent.


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ou can run a Democrat that is at least as socially liberal as the Republican (0.00 / 0)
Here's the truth: You run a progressive candidate in NY-23, you lose.

That is  true to an extent, but when you have a moderate Republican and a Conservative Party candidate, you can run a Democrat that is at least as socially liberal as the Republican and not lose.

Moreover, he is not moderate on marriage equality. He may be a moderate on LGBT issues but not on marriage equality. Marriage equality is a binary issue, you either support it or not. There obviously are "middle grounds" such as civil unions, but separate but equal is not equal.

Owens has no track record on issues and the few for which we know his positions, he is on the wrong side. Out of three issues that are at the core of progressive ideals, he only supports one.

Moreover, when we know that healthcare reform is so stalled and closely divided, we should not be risking sending another Blue Dog to the House. There is no guarantee healthcare reform will be approved before the November recess.

Both Brian McGrath and John Sullivan would have been better candidates.


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So the Republican is for marriage equality and the Democrat isn't? (0.00 / 0)
What a weird dynamic.

My thoughts (0.00 / 0)
I see Scozzafava almost as a Republican version of Gillibrand in this race.  She's a moderate Republican that takes her own stance on issues and sometimes bucks the party line.  She's incredibly liked by those in her district, and very personable.  People tend to like her once they've met her.  It will be very hard to overcome that.  This is going to be a very strange race, but nothing's ever "the norm" in northern NY.  It'll be interesting to see how it plays out, but I expect Scozzafava to win this.

Scozzafava is a moderate Republican and (0.00 / 0)
probably would make a good congressperson.  The problem for her - as it was for Tedisco - is that she HAS to caucus with the Republicans and you know what that would be like.

This is a clear case of the national party dragging a centrist or moderate Republican down as the rest of the party becomes a collection of ultra-conservatives.

HylasBrook


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Who will ESPA endorse? (0.00 / 0)
Empire State Pride Agenda has promised to stand by those who support marriage equality. Will this mean they will endorse Scozzafava over Owens? This might actually be interesting to see with regards to the NY same-sex marriage strategy in the NY Senate.

Quite frankly (0.00 / 0)
they should. If they don't, they aren't serving their constituency.

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Rahminization (0.00 / 0)
Score another one for the "Rahminization" of the Democratic Party.

Look, I get that Democrats want to win every seat. But if the party continues to move right, what's the point? Already, Blue Dogs are holding the health care bill hostage.
Owens isn't even registered as a Democrat! He does not support a public option available to anyone and is against full marriage equality. What else? A search of "Open Secrets" revealed just 2 contributions ($750.) by him-to Republican Al D'Amato in 1998 against Senator Shumer. The law firm he is a partner of is headed by a former Republican state senator (Sen. Ronald Stafford-42nd district). So, where are his Democratic credentials?

And don't give me the crap that his position on marriage is like that of Obama's...Obama didn't get my vote in the primaries because of his position on that issue.

What's next? We're the majority part, one back-boned by the Progressives, not "the moderates" (really, though, conservatives) and we have to go to an Independent/Republican for a candidate? Owens could only get the nomination from power brokers, he sure couldn't win it in a primary.

It's becoming more and more obvious that the Democratic Party is becoming ruled more and more by the Right. If you want a Republican, vote Republican. This guy is no Democrat.


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