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NY-23: Early Look At Race For 23rd Congressional District Seat

by: robert.harding

Tue Aug 11, 2009 at 21:18:37 PM EDT


The 23rd congressional district race is a bit more clearer, although the backgrounds of the respective candidates will make you dizzy.

On the Democratic side, Bill Owens is an independent who was selected by the 11 county Democratic chairs to run for the seat that will be vacated by Rep. John McHugh, who is leaving to become the Secretary of the Army in President Barack Obama's administration.

The Republicans picked Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava, a pro-choice and pro-marriage equality candidate who is known as a bit of a maverick in Republican circles.

In response to the Republicans' choice, the Conservative Party has nominated Doug Hoffman to run on their line as the conservative candidate in the race. The Conservative Party, which is known for putting social issues at the forefront of their selection process, decided against endorsing Scozzafava because of her social liberal views.

There are those who are wondering why the Democrats picked a moderate independent to run. The reason is that you aren't going to win NY-23 with someone who is a staunch progressive. Scozzafava, while being a social liberal, isn't liberal on too much else. She, like the man she wants to succeed, is fairly moderate and will vote with the Republicans most of the time. Owens, the Democratic choice, makes it known that he is a moderate and doesn't deviate from that.

The enrollment in the district shows you what we are looking at in terms of voters:

23rd Congressional District Enrollment
DEM REP IND CON WFP GRE LIB SWP BLK TOTAL
120,887
167,272
19,619
5,561
1,482
911
77
3
76,194
392,006

The reality is that you aren't going to win NY-23 with a staunch progressive or a staunch conservative. McHugh has served the district well and is known as a moderate. That is why he was such a tough election foe. In order to serve the district, you have to be able to balance yourself.

Here are some things to keep in mind:

- People have pointed out that Owens is to the right of Scozzafava on marriage equality. That's true, but he isn't to the right on the issue. He is actually in the middle, arguing that his religious beliefs prevent him from being a supporter, but does believe that equal rights are important. The conservative in the race, Hoffman, is opposed to marriage equality altogether. If you had to pick from Owens or Hoffman, which would you rather have? Also, I would like to hear Owens on repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell and whether or not he would support other key LGBT legislation. As a friend reminded me, a certain high-profile Democrat held a very similar view of marriage equality that Owens does. We just happened to elect that Democrat our president.

- Scozzafava will be tough, especially when it comes to getting the minor party lines. She has already secured the Independence Party line and will also be in the running for the Working Families Party line. Owens might be able to secure the WFP line, but that will be up to the party to decide.

- Hoffman won't win, but he will play spoiler. The conservatives (and Conservative Party) will try and make this about social issues. With Owens and Scozzafava both pro-choice and Scozzafava pro-marriage equality, the Conservative Party will seek to steal votes that may have been headed in Scozzafava's direction.

While voter turnout for this special election might not be high for a congressional race, it's not your typical special election. If everything falls into place, the election will take place on Election Day 2009. That means down-ticket races (county legislature, town board, mayoral races, etc.) could benefit from having a high-profile race on the ballot. Voter turnout won't be at record levels, but it shouldn't be as bad as some are assuming it will be.

Is Owens a progressive candidate? No. But the Democratic chairs weren't looking for a progressive candidate. They were looking for someone who fit the district. There will be people who question why Democrats would pick an independent to run on their line. It is a good question to ask, but the decision was apparently a unanimous one and a decision that was supported by the DCCC.

There is a lot more to learn about these candidates. That I will say. There has been a lot of reactionary comments made about Scozzafava's pro-choice and pro-marriage equality stances as if those positions alone make you a progressive. That only makes her progressive on those issues.

The election is still a few months away, but it sure will have the attention of New Yorkers. A lot will be on the line. There is a lot of work to be done. So let's get to work.

robert.harding :: NY-23: Early Look At Race For 23rd Congressional District Seat
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More food for thought (0.00 / 0)
Owens came out against the public option on health care.

Scozzafava has a ton of connections to labor.

Has Owens really taken one stance to the left of Scozzafava?  If not, then the question becomes this; why should progressives support Owens?  The answer is NOT because he's a Democrat.  We have plenty of Democrats in the House and there's no need for us to just "fall in line."

And as far as a progressive not being electable in this district, that a) plays into the hands of Republican narratives about the center left nation, b) ignores the electability of a guy like Eric Massa who, while very independent, is absolutely to the left of Owens and ran in a much more difficult district, and c) ignores the fact that Scozzafava is to the left on some social issues and so a Dem could hold similar standpoints and not lose a lot of the middle to her.

I don't know Robert.  So far I can't find any reason to support him other than the fact that he's running on the D line, and considering that such a decision was made by the party bosses and not the voters, I find that a hard pill to swallow.


Owens may have cost us the race (0.00 / 0)
by coming out against a public option...that seems a little ridiculous to me, this isn't Utah he's running in.

I'm wondering what's at play here...you say they wanted to pick a moderate, that's fine, but how about one in the mold of Scott Murphy and Eric Massa...is Owens really in the mold of Murphy or Massa?

I can't help but wonder...are the Democrats throwing the race because they know this is the district that's going away in the next Census and want to throw Scozzafava into a Democratic district during a Presidential year (2012)?

Are they certain of victory because Scozzafava's socially liberal positions will dampen GOP turnout/excitement of Hoffman playing spoiler?

This seems odd to me...but then again the whole State Democratic Party is a headscratcher...like why is the Queens Democratic Party suddenly trying to clear the field for Monserrate, but that's another story.  


Definitely not Massa (0.00 / 0)
I mean Massa stands for single payer...

It's hard to say if he's Murphy or not, but I get the sense he's a little to the right of Murphy in a district that I would say is a little more moderate than Murphy's (especially when you look at Scozzafava as a candidate compared to Tedisco).


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If the Birthers and Town Hall Yellers were enough, we'd be talking about Pres. McCain and V-P Palin (0.00 / 0)
Nobody really thinks the Republican are going to win back the House of Representatives, so that hurts Dierdre Scozzafava. Her whole shtick is "I know how to get things done" and "I'll be ready on day one" or whatever...

Well, Bill Owens will be in the majority party which means that no matter how much more experience she has in elected office, Owens can more easily add amendments then Scozzafava. He can more easily get a meeting with somebody at either the White House or Dept. of Whatever. If Scozzafava won, she'd be sitting on her thumbs trying to Barack Obama to fail so that Republican win back the House and she can actually DO something. If I were in DCCC or Owens campaign, I'd get him down to D.C. and have pictures send back with him meeting Finances Chairman Barney Frank or Energy Secy. Steven Chu or whoever.

Shows that Owens would just simply have more access, influence and effectiveness then Scozzafava, no matter how long she worked in Albany.

Plus, Scozzafava is too the left of Barack Obama on same-marriage. If same-sex marriage automatically markes one a lefty, then you might be surprised that Dick Cheney supports same-sex marriage. It's only one issue on the many related to L.G.B.T. rights.


Rahminization (4.00 / 1)
Score another one for the "Rahminization" of the Democratic Party.

Look, I get that Democrats want to win every seat. But if the party continues to move right, what's the point? Already, Blue Dogs are holding the health care bill hostage.
Owens isn't even registered as a Democrat! He does not support a public option available to anyone and is against full marriage equality. What else? A search of "Open Secrets" revealed just 2 contributions ($750.) by him-to Republican Al D'Amato in 1998 against Senator Shumer. The law firm he is a partner of is headed by a former Republican state senator (Sen. Ronald Stafford-42nd district). So, where are his Democratic credentials?

And don't give me the crap that his position on marriage is like that of Obama's...Obama didn't get my vote in the primaries because of his position on that issue.

What's next? We're the majority part, one back-boned by the Progressives, not "the moderates" (really, though, conservatives) and we have to go to an Independent/Republican for a candidate? Owens could only get the nomination from power brokers, he sure couldn't win it in a primary.

It's becoming more and more obvious that the Democratic Party is becoming ruled more and more by the Right. If you want a Republican, vote Republican. This guy is no Democrat.


and Dierdre Scozzafava is any better? And if you think they both suck, then tough beans because that's all that's on the ballot. (0.00 / 0)
Republicans would LOVE to having this problem. Sure the Republican are purer, but that's also a big reason they're in the minority. And minority parties DON'T have any effect.

While he isn't mad-capped for the public option, he isn't against it which every Republican is. It's not a priority, fine, that's true, but it's not a priority for any Democrat from Dick Durbin to Sherrod Brown to Barack Obama. All have said it's not their highest priority, so I don't know why we expect more from Democrat in a district that hasn't vote Democrat since 1890.

This is a district that voted for George W. Bush & Dick Cheney twice and then this past Nov., voted for Barack Obama & Joe Biden. I think it's a great asset for the REAL voters of the 23rd that he, like them, that he did support a Republican because thought the Republicans stood for something that they don't or certainly don't know and that he isn't in a more pure then you.

In an interview with New York Public Radio, he said that he respects Ron Stafford, he didn't agree with him politically and often argued with him about it. And besides, he isn't headed, it was founded by him and Ron Stafford has been dead for years.

Where are his Democratic credentials? Bringing 500 new jobs to Plattsburgh when the base closed, many low-skilled and unioned. YES, that's important and while activists are great, they often forgets that's what Democrats are suppost to do.

It's not that Bill Owens is a pure social-conservative, I just honestly think he cares more about economy. Barack Obama made this point in 2001 (remember it got some hype with Sarah Palin brought it up) about how Black civil rights relied too much on the courts and government for changes in society. I think L.G.B.T. activists do the same, whether or not same-sex marriage is legal will not change the attitude of a person against homosexuality. The anti-Calif. Prop. 8 crowd did the same thing. They stayed in an echo-chamber of their supporters and never went to churches or more conservatives counties to talk with the people who didn't agree with them.

And besides, same-sex marriage isn't an issue for the federal congressional delegation.

And you really think Dierdre Scozzafava will vote to support a public option? She's all into that "fiscal deficit hawk" something for nothing stuff too.

And if you're bumped that both Owens and Scozzafava are pretty conservative and there's no "real" Democrat, tough beans. Now you can empathize with a redneck living in Greenwich Village. All politics is local and the 23rd is conservative overall (but for sure has pockets of more liberal voters). It's silly to make the 23rd into the poster child of L.G.T.B. issues, but oddly enough, I think it's going to happen.


[ Parent ]
Why do progressives blame Rahm? (4.00 / 1)
Howard Dean was the one who came up with the idea of running Blue Dogs in moderate/conservative districts. Why does he always get praise, but Rahm is somehow a villain?  

[ Parent ]
Patrick Murphy is one of Rahm's 2006 Blue Dogs (0.00 / 0)
It was Howard Dean's plan, but to give the Rahm Emanuel haters their dues, the actual moderate/conservative Democratric members of the U.S. House of Representatives right now who won in 2006 mid-terms were recruited by Rahm Emanuel.

One of those 2006 Blue Dog Democrats recruited by Rahm Emanuel is Patrick Murphy (PA-7th), who although he didn't run on it within his platform, right now is taking the lead on getting a repeal on Don't Ask, Don't Tell past.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26...


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