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Four New York Representatives Vote Against Wilson Resolution

by: robert.harding

Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 20:01:55 PM EDT


The resolution disapproving of Congressman Joe Wilson's conduct during President Barack Obama's health care speech last week passed the House of Representatives by a vote of 240 to 179. It was a mostly party line vote, with only 12 Democrats voting against the resolution and seven Republicans voting in favor of the resolution.

The state that was well represented in the "nay" column? New York. Four New York congressmen voted against the resolution and a fifth, Congressman Eliot Engel, voted present.

The four that voted "nay" are: Congressman Mike Arcuri, Congressman Maurice Hinchey, Congressman Dan Maffei and Congressman Eric Massa.

Why did these four oppose it? Perhaps Congressman Maffei put it best in his statement:

It does not promote civility to have a party line vote and spend an afternoon debating whether Mr. Wilson's apology for what he said during the President's address last week is 'good enough.' Clearly, Mr. Wilson thoroughly embarrassed himself. And while I disagree with Mr. Wilson and I strongly support the President, I think we should be moving on and not piling on.  As Voltaire wrote, 'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.' We all agree Mr. Wilson's behavior was inappropriate, now it is time to get back to work.

Speaking as a blogger, I think we did pile on in this situation. It was nice that we were able to raise money for Wilson's opponent, Democratic candidate Rob Miller. But Wilson raised money too. While we did mobilize for Miller, the right followed and did the same thing for Wilson. That was to be expected. They weren't going to hang him out to dry in a district that he came close to losing last time to Miller.

It is time to get back to work.

Congressman Massa also issued a statement on this vote:

"My vote against formally reprimanding Rep. Wilson is based on my belief that we should be doing more important things now that Congress is back in session," said Congressman Eric Massa. "I strongly disapproved of Joe Wilson's outburst last week, but I think it's more important for us to be working on solutions rather than voicing more objections to something that happened almost a full week ago. The issues facing the American people are more important than myself, Rep. Wilson, or President Obama and I think we owe it to the public to continue working for them right now."

Out of the four who voted, I will say this about Massa. Massa has shown during his time in office that he has no time for partisan politics. Some of the bigger media outlets always try to get his thoughts on various issues, whether it's why he hadn't endorsed Senator Kirsten Gillibrand or his thoughts on the gubernatorial race next year in New York. So it didn't surprise me when he voted against this resolution.

Now that it's out of the way and some members of the Democratic leadership got what they wanted, we can get back to the people's business.

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Unnacceptable (0.00 / 0)
This is exactly why people don't respect Democrats--they don't stand up for each other.

Failure to stand together only brings "thank you sir, may I have another."  

Remember, Wilson only said "I'm sorry" because he was forced to and in doing so, he reiterated that he didn't do anything wrong.

If you want power you must use it. Part of power is teaching a mix of fear, love and respect.  That comes from a common message and standing together when attacked.

What Maffei, Hinchey, Massa and Arcuri did was cowardly and contemptible.


Oh come on... (0.00 / 0)
You make it sound as if this bill was an important piece of legislation. It wasn't. It's not a bill we will remember in years to come. It was something that will be old news tomorrow.

When I first said on Twitter that we should move on, I had people tell me that we needed to take advantage of this opportunity. I made that comment in the hours after Wilson made the "You Lie" shout. A day or two ago, I posted a diary about this same issue that was supportive of Miller and anti-Wilson. The sentiment I got? Let's move on.

I will make this clear: What Joe Wilson did was cowardly and contemptible. What Maffei, Hinchey, Massa and Arcuri did was a call for refocusing our attention on more important objectives.

Is disapproving of Wilson's behavior going to bring us health care reform? A simple yes or no answer will do.


[ Parent ]
You are making my point for me (0.00 / 0)
You can't muscle through legislation if you aren't perceived as having muscle (or spine).

A vote against Wilson does indeed help with Health care and the rest of the agenda because it shows unity and strength.

When it was revealed that  Bob Packwood was sexually harassing his staff nearly all Republican's voted for his expulsion, not just Democrats. When Newt was censured by the Ethics committee it was unanimous. When he was censured by the House --it was his House that he was speaker, it only passed with Republican support.

Jim Wright was expelled as Speaker by the Democrats he led. The politics of the 20th century always put institutional integrity first...and it worked.

I'll bring it closer to home, how about when Gerry Solomon was forced into retirement after reaching the pinnacle of his career as Rules chair, after he went nuts and basically threatened to shoot Patrick Kennedy during a House speech

This stuff is exactly what people remember they say if they couldn't stand up to this bully-thug how can they stand up to a Chavez, Ahmadinejad, etc.?

If Pelosi hadn't done this, they would have just upped the ante.


[ Parent ]
Yes... (0.00 / 0)
Because a disapproval resolution is just as important as a health care reform bill or, say, the Iraq War vote.

It doesn't help (or hurt) health care reform efforts. There is no unity on health care. We have a senator - Baucus - who is leading a bi-partisan effort with conservative senators and Baucus is willing to give away our position to accept theirs. You call that "muscle" or "spine?"

I know plenty of progressives and Democrats who are annoyed by this issue. Both those who supported this resolution and opposed it just want to get the dialogue back on health care and off of Joe Wilson.

Now, would I have voted for this? Yes. I would have. But I would rather have a health care reform bill with a strong public option.  


[ Parent ]
Tempest in a teacup (4.00 / 1)
I have a lot of trouble understanding why this is such a big deal to some people when Cheney is still not yet indicted for ordering torture.

An idiot made a fool of hisself.  Focusing on it just gives the idiot more name recognition.


Huh (0.00 / 0)
So we can't deal with today's problem because we haven't addressed yesterday's?

There's a long line of unaccounted bad out there that you'd better add to the list before we can move forward.

Iran-Contra, Guatemala, Allende, Khmer Rouge, and on....


[ Parent ]
4 Dems (4.00 / 1)
4 Democrats voted against it.  I also see that Chris Lee (NY  - Corporate) voted nay as well.  Not that we would have expected anything different.  Sigh.

But about 8 Rep's Did (4.00 / 1)
There are still a handful who have some sense of decorum and standards.

[ Parent ]
I was just about to point out, Lee voted party line. (0.00 / 0)
Yeah, big surprise. But it says something about the man that he's so deep in the pocket of the Republican leadership that he won't even support an ineffectual condemnation of such bad behavior.

[ Parent ]
Good (0.00 / 0)
Its about time Arcuri did something right. As a real republican, I respect these guys, Maffei & Massa more than most republicans.

These are guys that are in touch with reality.

I really dont give a shit about your posturing about Joe Dipshit Wilson, WORK.

Wish I could pass resolutions around the office about what idiots my peers are! People dont respect most democrats for pulling this silly resolution against joe wilson bullshit!


It's About Civility (4.00 / 1)
I don't think Wilson's outburst should have been allowed to slide. The tone of the health care debate does affect the content, and it affects or politics generally.

The ability to have a reasoned debate is essential to a functioning democracy. Allowing heckling and catcalling would make the the task of explaining an extended point difficult if not impossible. It prevents people whose minds are still open from hearing the arguments. Even if Wilson has already taken his position, others have not and they are entitled to hear other views without interruption. If Wilson wanted to dispute what was being said, he had every right to do so afterward.

We must retain the basic decency to hear each other without yelling at each other. It's what we want parents to teach their children. It's all the more incredulous when our elected representatives don't live up to that very low standard. And when they don't, they should be called to account for it. Otherwise, our political discourse will continue to deteriorate.

(Perhaps it will deteriorate anyway, but that shouldn't be an excuse for not trying to fight it.)

So I think it was worth spending what little time the House did on it to try to encourage real conversation on things that matter. As any parent knows, not addressing bad behavior now can lead to a lot worse down the road.


Wilson owes an apology to the full House (0.00 / 0)
and to the good people of South Carolina.  Eric Massa, who I think is great, says this happened over a week ago, why vote on this now?  Well, as I hope Rep. Massa knows, the rebuplican leadership assured the Democratic leadership that little Joe would apologize.  Well, they were able to get him to say, "I'm sorry that you lied, Mr. President," but not to apologize to the House.

I don't like the fact that all the attention wilson got distracted from Obama's great speech and the need for real reform.  But you can't let sh-t like this stand.  You know the rebups would be screaming on talk radio 24/7 if we'd done this to W.


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