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NY-GOV: President Obama Is Right: Governor Paterson Should Not Run

by: robert.harding

Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 09:50:03 AM EDT


The big story in New York today is one that Simon posted late last night. The New York Times report saying that President Barack Obama has asked New York Governor David Paterson to not run in 2010 will certainly be a huge news story entering Monday.

The reaction here at TAP and in New York has been mixed. The views range from agreeing with the President to concerns about the President's involvement in New York politics.

In order to understand why the President would do this, we need to look at the big picture. In 2006, we took back the Governor's mansion and that gave Democrats the upper hand in legislative manners: The governor was a Democrat, the Assembly was still ruled by Democrats and the State Senate wasn't too far off. In 2008, Democrats took over the New York State Senate, only to have that disrupted in a matter of months by Republicans and Pedro Espada Jr. looking for more power. Espada eventually came back, giving Democrats the Senate again.

The reality is that, in 2010, we could go back to what we had before the gubernatorial and state senate wins. We could go back to having a Republican governor and a Republican state senate all because of who is at the top of the ticket in New York State.

The poll numbers show that Governor Paterson is not in a strong position to run for re-election in 2010. His approval rating at the end of August was 32 percent. That is a quick decline from where he was at in late January, when his poll numbers stood at 54 percent and an even more dramatic drop from the 60 percent favorable ratings he had in late 2008 and early 2009. We are a year out from the Democratic primary (if one does take place) and we are less than 14 months away from the general election. Unless Paterson makes a huge turnaround (which, at this point, is unlikely) he is not in a position to be a strong candidate for governor.

President Obama is a smart man. He is also a political genius. He sees New York as an important piece to the Democratic Party. His involvement in the U.S. Senate race is well documented. He has tried to clear the field for Senator Kirsten Gillibrand so that she can run a strictly general election campaign instead of having to run a possibly damaging primary election that would leave her vulnerable for the general.

In the case of Paterson, he sees the opposite.

He sees a candidate who is weak and would not serve the party well in a general election. He sees a candidate that is not well received in this state and is not someone New Yorkers support. Trying to support him for governor would be tough, not only for Obama and national Democratic leaders, but also for leaders in New York at the local and state levels.

On Paterson's end, he has made some missteps in forging a good relationship with the Obama administration.

From the New York Times:

In addition, the relationship between Mr. Obama and Mr. Paterson has been shaky, dating to the governor's selection of a replacement for Hillary Rodham Clinton, who resigned from the Senate to become secretary of state. White House officials had received assurances from Mr. Paterson that he would not pick Kirsten E. Gillibrand, then a little-known Democratic congresswoman from a heavily Republican district outside of Albany, according to a prominent Democrat who discussed the matter with a senior White House official.

The White House and Democratic House leaders were concerned that her sudden departure from the House would give Republicans a prime opportunity to reclaim the seat. Aides to the president conveyed those concerns to the governor, according to Democrats who have discussed the matter with Mr. Obama's aides.

In the end, Mr. Paterson selected Ms. Gillibrand anyway, infuriating White House officials and Democratic leaders in Washington. Making matters worse, the governor also publicly snubbed Caroline Kennedy, a close personal friend and ally of Mr. Obama's, who announced in December her wish to be chosen as Mrs. Clinton's replacement, but then withdrew her name from consideration in January, citing personal reasons.

The concerns of Obama aides deepened last month, when the governor, speaking on a radio talk show in New York, suggested that criticism of him was racially motivated and that Mr. Obama would soon suffer similar attacks. Mr. Obama's advisers, who have long sought to defuse the issue of race, found the comments inflammatory and expressed their displeasure directly to the Paterson camp.

As it stands right now, Paterson doesn't give New York Democrats the best chance to win in 2010. While I don't think he will drag down the whole ticket, including congressional candidates in upstate districts that will be running for re-election next year, I do think he will have a negative impact on state senate candidates specifically. In order to turn that around, we will need a different candidate at the top of the ticket. Attorney General Andrew Cuomo would be a great option. But Paterson, at this moment, is not our guy.  

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This is among your best posts (4.00 / 1)
Andrew Cuomo is exactly the kind of person that will help draw out Democrats - and more importantly, keep home Republicans - in the 5 - 7 closest State Senate districts, as well as NY 24 25 and 29. Paterson will do nothing to draw out suburban Dems and will absolutely draw out venomous suburban Republicans, because both sets view him as incompetent.

P.S. I just Googled "Arcuri" to confirm his district number. Not as fun as Googling "Santorum", but fun in a different way.


Devil's advocate (4.00 / 1)
I believe that if President Obama wanted to get this heavily involved in New York politics, he should have done so with a less public touch.

Having said that, I'm also not sure that a Paterson/Cuomo contest would be bad for Democrats around the state.  In addition to needing to pick up two or three Senate seats, we need to replace a number of Democratic senators with better Democratic senators.  Generally, a low turnout is beneficial to incumbents; a primary contest for Governor would raise turnout, which would probably lead to more turnover withing the Democratic caucus.

At this point, I also don't see any Republican beating the Democratic nominee for Governor.  If Cuomo wins, it will be because he has given Democrats a strong alternative.  If Paterson wins, it will be because he has turned his fortunes around and is on the right track.  Either way, we put up a strong nominee, one who can easily defeat Giuliani, Lazio (ha ha), or anyone else the Republicans choose.

The one down side to a primary contest would be the money that Cuomo, and possibly Paterson, could raise that would otherwise go to down-ticket races.  Again, I'm not sure that the "conventional wisdom" here is correct; with a hot primary at the top, candidates for down-ticket races can ride the excitement to bolster their fundraising.

Chances are that we will not test this theory, since party leaders are loathe to move from the old-style thinking into which they are irreversibly indoctrinated (something else that cries out for a primary contest, if only to shake things up).

Last year, I gave loud voice to the idea that Hillary Clinton should have ended her run for President well before she did.  The reason was simple -- Obama was going to be the nominee, and any delay in bringing the party together was not going to be a good thing.  The same principle holds here; once we have a clear nominee, whoever is going to lose should concede.  As long as both Cuomo and Paterson understand and agree to this, a primary contest can be a purely positive thing.


Obama is a lightning rod (0.00 / 0)
and his getting involved in NY state politics is going to cause just as many problems as it solves.

Advantage: no one.


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Primaries are good for Democracy (0.00 / 0)
and good for the Democratic Party.

It is clear we are carrying a lot of dead weight that needs to be replaced. It is clear that we need a new generation of leaders both in elective office and in party leadership positions.

Everyone who cares about this state needs to be thinking now about how and where they can best be a part of taking over control of the party and state from the folks that have driven it into the ground. The Republicans are hopeless. They are in even worse shape then we are. The Democratic Party has some good people that make a good base to start from but there is far too much personal aggrandizement and far too many personal agendas that need to be removed from the equation.

I'm told that the President did initially try to make this point quietly behind the scenes but that the ears that needed to hear it refused to listen. I can't blame him from doing it more publicly even while I disagree with it.

The Republican challenge does not worry me much. They've got nothing new to offer.

But we need to take over and ensure that the Democrats have something real, new and legitimate to offer the people of this state.


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In general, I'd agree. (0.00 / 0)
Obama overstepped last time, but not this time. Paterson has already demonstrated he is not above playing the race card. His surrogate, Al Sharpton, has already been hitting Cuomo hard, and has publicly warned him off primarying Paterson. I believe that Sharpton is also not above playing racial politics. I will guarantee you that a Paterson/Cuomo primary will get ugly and racial and will do a lot of damage to the party downstate. These may be waters that Cuomo may not even want to wade into.  

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I disagreed with the President (4.00 / 2)
getting involved in the Senate race and I disagree with him doing it here.

I personally like Gov. David Paterson as a person. he is a wonderful man but it is very clear that his political career is unsalvageable. People just don't come back from where he is. And it is clear that his unfavorability is damaging to the rest of the Democrats in New York.

But let's be clear that it is not only him. The State Senate Democrats have done absolutely nothing to help our cause. The double whammy, triple if you take it back to Spitzer's arrogance and then stupidty, has severely damaged our brand. The only thing saving us is that the Republicans have nothing to offer. Nothing.

We also wouldn't have the President meddling in our state politics if we had any sort of leadership in the state. Can you name the leader of the state party?

I can't. We don't have one. Silver has his piece. Schumer has plenty of clout but for him it is always about him. Paterson, Smith and Sampson aren't the leaders.

Espada is nothing more than a weak attempt at being Joe Bruno Jr in democratic drag. He'll end up under indictment and in jail quicker too.

Someone has got to step up and lead the party in this state out of the wilderness.

I believe that someone has got to be us.


I agree, but for different reasons (4.00 / 2)
As I said re simonstl's post Obama to Paterson: Don't, I hated the last Obama intervention, but I welcome this one.

Paterson has already displayed a tendency to accuse his opponents/critics of major ugliness (ie: his plunging support for re-election was due in part to his race, accusing the media of racism) and allies like Al Sharpton have already claimed that the AG's office is already tryinging to damage the governor.

If the unpopular Paterson were to run unchallenged, I believe the odds that our next gov would be a GOPer are high. And I believe that the potential for an ugly, party-damaging disaster are very high if Cuomo were to challenge Paterson.

If there ever was a situation that cried out for pure pragmatism, I'd say this is it.  


I agree Paterson shouldn't run (4.00 / 1)
but this is a little heavy-handed.  But again, if it ends up convincing him not to run, the ends might justify the means.

I'm a Paterson fan, and will reserve judgement, but (0.00 / 0)
I gotta disagree with your statement "We could go back to having a Republican governor and a Republican state senate all because of who is at the top of the ticket in New York State. "
If we lose the Senate, it will be largely the fault of Senate Democrats.  Some of us worked our butts off to make sure Aubertine won, and that we kept the majority in November.  Then the incumbents played politics, and we ALL lost.
Perhaps the Democratic Senators should look at a mirror before they blame Paterson.  

Everyone is entitled to like who they want... (0.00 / 0)
If we lose the Senate, one of the factors is the Senate Democrats. But if we had someone else at the top of the ticket who didn't have a 30 percent approval rating, you could energize Democrats to come out in districts (especially upstate ones) and maybe pick up a seat or two.

Let's keep in mind that not all of the Senate Democrats are bad. Pedro Espada? I want him gone like most people here and, I would argue, most New Yorkers. But for every Espada, I can name Aubertine, Schneiderman, etc.


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