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NY-20: Murphy explains disappointing HCR vote UPDATED

by: devtob

Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 18:55:05 PM EST


Congressman Scott Murphy voted "no" on HR 3962 yesterday, along with 38 other House Democrats.

In a press release (posted in full, below), Murphy argued that the bill was fatally flawed because it does not do enough to "curb costs and keep health care affordable in the long term."

I'm no expert on HR 3962, and I'm sure that it's not perfect. But it is, evidently, the best bill that is politically possible right now, and there is no realistic prospect that further delay will improve it.

So I'm disappointed with Murphy's vote, and even more disappointed with a rather obvious whopper he told in the release.

More, below.

devtob :: NY-20: Murphy explains disappointing HCR vote UPDATED
Here's the entire press release, which has not yet been posted on Murphy's website:

Today, Congressman Scott Murphy (NY-20) voted no on H.R. 3962, the Affordable Healthcare for America Act.

"I spent the past six months traveling the 20th District holding more than 100 events to have an open and honest discussion about health care with the people of our district.  As your Congressman, I firmly believe that health care reform is critical to strengthening our nation. However, in order to achieve this goal, we must address the fundamentally flawed system that has led to skyrocketing costs, bankrupt families and extremely profitable insurance companies.  For these reasons, I voted no on H.R. 3962 tonight.

"This bill makes a number of important reforms, which I wholeheartedly support including the elimination of the lifetime caps on insurance benefits and the pre-existing condition exclusion, invests in prevention and primary care, creates a health insurance exchange to force insurance companies to compete and offers a public option for people who want to get away from for-profit insurance companies.

"However, I have consistently said that any bill that Congress passes must curb costs and keep health care affordable in the long term. During these difficult economic times, an unacceptably high price tag will stress our already overstretched federal budget and place even more burdens on our hard working individuals, families and small businesses. We need to fix the system now, and not put off the hard choices for another generation. Furthermore, I am deeply frustrated by the last minute addition of over $50 billion in taxes on the two largest private employers in the 20th District - medical device manufacturers and paper mills.

"As a small businessman, I am also concerned that H.R. 3962 falls short of making health insurance affordable for the small businesses of the 20th District; it fails to reform the fundamentally flawed incentives in the system, which continue to drive costs upward; and it fails to restrain the monopolistic practices of private insurers, which allow them to continue to increase premiums already weighing on families and small businesses.

"I remain committed to the goal of providing quality, affordable health care and I will continue to fight to change the broken health care system for America's families."

The whopper is bolded above; Murphy clearly implies that manufacturers with facilities in NY-20 have been singled out for a massive tax increase.

Again, I'm no expert, but that cannot be true. Presumably Murphy's referring to this from the official summary of the bill -- an 8 percent of payroll tax on businesses with more than $500,000 of annual payroll who do not provide and subsidize health insurance, "to help cover expenses of employees who seek coverage through the Exchange."

As far as I know, most if not all of the paper mills and medical device makers in NY-20 currently provide decent health insurance benefits to their employees. The payroll tax part of the bill provides a needed incentive for them, and for all other large employers, to continue to do so -- it does not impose "over $50 billion in taxes on the two largest private employers in the 20th."

Murphy won office in a very close special election in April. His victory would not have happened without the strong support of labor and progressive activists.

Murphy will need a similar level of support in 2010, when he will face a well-financed challenge by someone who will oppose Obama on everything and when NY-20 will be one of 435 House contests on the ballot.

Murphy's "no" vote on HCR will dispirit many of his supporters from earlier this year, and do nothing to convince non-supporters to change their minds.

Murphy will hold a press conference tomorrow about his vote. He'd better come up with a more convincing explanation than he offered today, because appealing to people who didn't vote for him this year will not help him next year.

UPDATED/CORRECTED: Informed Daily Kos commenters note that the House HCR bill includes a 2.5 percent excise tax on some medical devices and the revocation of a tax credit for a wood-byproduct-based fuel used by paper mills.

So Murphy has somewhat more of a case than I thought at first.

But not enough, IMHO, to oppose the first real chance at health insurance reform in 16 years.  

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Like many, I consider getting HCR (4.00 / 3)
to be vitally important, for economic, fiscal and humanitarian reasons.

So Murphy's "no" vote is a major disappointment.

And nothing he says about it will change that.


What A Crock (4.00 / 2)
Healthcare reform is a civil rights issue.  This argument would be like justifying opposition to the civil rights legislation on the ground that it would hurt companies that sell textbooks to segregated schools.  

Murphy is proving himself a phony. (4.00 / 1)
I know several people who called his offices in the past week who were specfically assured that Murphy was voting for the bill.

While posturing about small businesses, it is clear from his statement that it is the largest business owners that he considers his real constituents.

Doesn't Scott Murphy understand that having a healthy workforce -- one which received regular, preventive care -- is great for business? Doesn't he comprehend the harsh human and economic toll that results from people staying away from the doctor until things get so bad they need emergency room treatment? Does he think people living in fear of illness, bankruptcy and premature death is good for NY-20 business?


[ Parent ]
I live in the 20th CD... (4.00 / 2)
...and personally I could care less how Murphy voted (at least in this situation).  As long as Pelosi got the 218 needed for passage, that's good enough for me.  If getting to 218 required her to allow certain members in marginal districts to vote "no", then that's fine with me.  I'd rather have a Dem rep with an imperfect voting  record than a Republican rep who is part of a Boehner-Cantor majority.

Now if the bill had failed by a vote or two, then I'd be pretty angry.  But I assume that Murphy knew in advance that it would pass, and hence that his "no" vote would not hurt anything.


False Choice (4.00 / 4)
Murphy's no vote did nothing to help his electability.  All it did was to feed Republican themes and let the MSM chatter on about how close the vote was and how many Democratic "moderates" voted against it.  Murphy's no vote is not only bad policy, it is bad politics.  Indeed, it reflects an infantile political mentality.  If healthcare reform is so toxic in NY 20, then a Republican victory is inevitable.  People who like Republican policies will vote for real Republicans, not faux ones who are afraid to vote for the most important piece of Democratic legislation in a generation.  In fact, healthcare reform is extremely popular in NY 20.  The choice is not between Murphy and a Republican.  The choice is between a Republican and a real Democrat.

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Disagree. (4.00 / 2)
Perhaps "healthcare reform" is popular in the district, but a public option most assuredly is not.

Go ahead an run a "progressive" or "real Democrat" in the next election in the district.  You will lose, and lose badly.  (In case you hadn't noticed, the Republicans made real gains in Dutchess and Columbia counties last week.)

And the reality is that this was always going to be a close vote in the House, no matter what Blue Dogs did.  I could care less about the MSM chatter.  The bill passed, and once people start taking advantage of it the sausage-making aspects will be long forgotten.


[ Parent ]
Murphy Supports The Public Option (4.00 / 4)
His statement says nothing about the public option.  I did not say anything about "progressive".  I want somebody who understands that undermining the Democratic Party is not a good way for Democrats to get elected.  Democrats win when they get Democrats to the polls.  Running away from healthcare reform is not a very good way to accomplish that.  As far as the District is concerned, Democrats actually made some gains in local contests.  Losses in the county legislatures had nothing to do with ideology and had to do with generalized dissatisfaction with incumbents.  As NY23 graphically illustrated, on national issues, the Democrats continue to be much stronger than Republicans, and Murphy is a fool to think that he should run away from that.  Bottom line, if the Democrats fail nationally, Murphy is toast.    

[ Parent ]
Gillibrand favored Medicare for All (0.00 / 0)
in both her NY-20 races, and it didn't hurt her politically.

[ Parent ]
The public option is popular nationally (4.00 / 2)
and NY-20 is very close to a median district in terms of voter preference. The public option is most assuredly popular in the district, on what do you make your contradictory assertion?


[ Parent ]
The apologists... (0.00 / 0)
... for votes like Murphy's (as with Gillibrand's past immigrant-bashing) always want to pretend that the district is as deep red as when Solomon was our Rep.

See, despite the fact that Clinton, Gillibrand and Obama also won this district, we are supposed to continue thinking Murphy "has" to act like a Tedisco clone. Or he won't get re-elected! And then he won't get to continue acting like a Tedisco clone!


[ Parent ]
Please don't respond to me with swipes at Gillibrand (4.00 / 1)
and act like you are agreeing with me--Gillibrand would have voted for this bill, she is outspoken for a strong public option, and also understands that accommodations have to be made to move the bill forward.


[ Parent ]
Murphy Is Eminently Replaceable (4.00 / 1)
He got the nomination only because he offered to come along with some cash to finance a special election that nobobdy anticipated.  He was an OK candidate, but nothing special.  The only reason he got elected was because Democratic activists worked their asses off for him.  I don't see why there should be any great need to avoid a primary so as to "unite the party."  We have no great stake in Murphy.  We really ought to be able to nominate a candidate who is both electable and who understands the importance of enacting the most indispensable components of the Democratic Party agenda.

I get Massa--though I don't agree-Toast Murphy's Keister next year (4.00 / 1)
Are you freaking kidding me. Bottom line, elect a hedge fund manager or whatever the heck he was, and you get a corporate shill as a congressman.  

At least Massa outright says he wants single payer like Kucinich. It's ideology ahead of results (and Massa is from a McCain district, Murphy isn't). I doubt I'll be seeing Steve Israel asking me to help send any more $ Murph's way.

Bye-Bye.


I'd like to give Murphy the benefit of the doubt (4.00 / 2)
but I'm going to use my energy working to help Owens keep his seat - he's going to be facing a Republican backlash.

Very disappointed in Murphy (though I'm willing to cut him some slack) but I do think my energies are better directede towards helping Owens.

HylasBrook


Cutting Murphy some slack (4.00 / 2)
I'm willing to cut him some slack only because he did at least vote "nay" on the Stupak amendment. But I'm not happy that he voted against the bill, and I am going to be looking closely at what he does going forward.

--- Mike Jones

Why? (4.00 / 1)
Murphy should get no slack for this. This is not some esoteric piece of legislation - this is the most important Democratic legislative initiative of a generation.  John Dingell has spent his entire career working for this.  He probably would have preferred single payer and he undoubtedly is well aware of the many flaws in this bill, but nevertheless he recognized that this is an historic accomplishment.  For Murphy to say that some theoretical adverse impact on local paper companies and medical device companies (what exactly are these?) justifies his vote against this landmark legislation is utterly disgusting and insulting.  We can do better than this, and people should be thinking very seriously about a primary candidacy to support someone who can do the job a hell of a lot better than this.

[ Parent ]
The present House Bill (0.00 / 0)
is a mess.  

Exchanges, like the Federal Employee Health Benefit Program ("FEHBP") or "Commonwealth Connector" in Massachusetts, tend to be expensive and not to provide much support in dealing with payors.  (There are a couple of co-op-type things under Commonwealth Connector which are effective.)

The Public Option has no chance in the Senate and. at best, would be a watered-down version of the failed Canadian Medicare system.  (See, e.g.,Chaoulli v. Attorney General of Quebec, [2005] 1 S.C.R. 791, 2005 SCC 35 http://scc.lexum.umontreal.ca/...

The best idea anyone has proposed was this:

Republicans would also allow small businesses to pool their insurance buying power through "association health plans," sponsored by trade and professional associations and chambers of commerce. These plans would have "sole discretion" over what services to cover.  (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/health/policy/04health.html?_r=2&ref=politics)    

This is where the market is trying to go, blocked by over restrictive rules under ERISA for Multi-employer Welfare Arrangements ("MEWAs").  Add other types of not-for-profits and give them the rights ERISA Plans have and you are probably a large part of the way to universal coverage.  

Use these Plans to replace non-long-term-care Medicaid and State Child Health Plus ("SCHIP") and you are a long way towards market-based reform.  Keep government out of rate making and clean up fee-splitting and corporate practice law at NYS level, and we might see greater access, higher quality and lower costs.  


36 Dem Congressmen in red districts voted for the bill. (0.00 / 0)
4 of them in New York.

What's Murphy's excuse, again?


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