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A Valid Point To Consider Regarding Massa

by: robert.harding

Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 19:17:03 PM EST


Amherst Guy just made a good point in the comments of my post about the health care reform bill passing the House.

Here is his comment:

I challenge everyone to wait and see how they vote on the final bill, the one that comes out of conference, before they cast judgement.

It reminded me of what happened earlier this year when Congressman Eric Massa was one of 24 Democrats to oppose the housing bill. That bill, the Helping Families Save Their Homes Act of 2009, was seen as progressive legislation to address the housing crisis and assist families who were in danger of losing their home. Massa was criticized for his vote, but when the bill went to conference and came back for a vote in the House, he voted for the revised bill.

Could the same thing happen with health care? Definitely.

This was passed along to me as an explanation for Massa's vote coming from Massa himself.

"I believe this bill, for a laundry list of details that all stem from employer-based, unregulated, private, for-profit health insurance, will make our health care system worse.  An impact on Medicare, objections to constitutionality, impacts on rural health care, a lack of true cost control, a tremendous expansion of federal overhead, a lack of a true public option, a lack of expansion of doctors, are all debatable points.

That said, my opposition does not come from Washington, D.C. political talking points, but rather from a decade of study and immersion in this subject.  The constituents of this Congressional District did not hire me to pander to them or tell them what I think they want to hear.  They hired me to fully understand - in detail - the legislation I am asked to consider and only support that which I think will help.  That is what I have done.  That is why I voted no on H.R. 3962."

No one's vote seems to be more scrutinized than Massa regarding this health care bill. His vote against this bill is disappointing. I respect his position and do understand his stance, but I would like to see him say that while it is not perfect, it is better than no reform at all. This bill is not a terrible bill. Could it be better? Yes. But considering all we had to go through to get to this point, it's a solid piece of legislation. It's a great starting point on an issue (health care reform) where we have had no starting point for a century.

That's the bad news for Massa. This was a historic vote and being on the wrong side of the vote isn't helping him, at least among the netroots and progressives. Only two members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus voted against the bill: Dennis Kucinich and Massa. Kucinich's vote, according to an e-mail he sent out today, was because of the bill's continued support of a private insurance industry and the lack of a single payer system. Massa gave other reasons, as listed in the statement above.

The good news for Massa is that this may not be the last vote on health care. If a conference bill comes to the House (getting a bill passed in the Senate will be a long-hard fight, but possible), Massa will have a second chance. And then that will be THE historic vote. If he votes for it, redemption is his and he will have voted for true reform. If he votes against it, the outrage many in the netroots have now won't go away.

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Massa Is Full of Shit (0.00 / 0)
Massa obviously thinks that he figured out a scheme to let him have his cake and eat it too.  He thinks he can resist the tea-baggers by saying, "don't blame me, I voted against this bill", but at the same time appeal to Democratic activists by saying that he likes single payer and his extraordinary level of purity wouldn't let him compromise his beliefs.  The hypocrisy makes me want to vomit.  Indeed, if he does vote in favor of the conference bill, the hypocrisy will be even more glaring.  Undoubtedly, the conference bill will be far less progressive than the House bill, so if Massa votes in favor of that, it will simply give further evidence of how fraudulent his claim to be standing on principle really is.  This has nothing to do with ideological purity.  It has to do with not wanting to have jackasses representing the Democrats in Congress.

Yeah, what's up with that? (0.00 / 0)
While I'm not as angry as prince nekhlyudov seems to be, I have to agree with his basic analysis:  the conference bill is unlikely to improve the House version at all.  And while 3962 has obvious flaws, wouldn't it be easier for the House conferees to hold strong in House-Senate negotiations if the bill had passed by more than 2 votes?  I just don't get this, and I'm beginning to regret sending money to Massa's campaign (it's not like I could easily afford it, small as it was . . . ).

Is there a viable, truly progressive primary opponent who could put my money to better use?


In NY-29? (0.00 / 0)
No.  Absolutely not.  

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It's not like Massa (4.00 / 1)
hasn't been saying this all along. He has. In fact, when he said all of this at Netroots Nation, he was hailed as a hero.

Eric Massa tells us before election day he supports single payer

Eric Massa protesting in March for Single Payer

Eric Massa in August saying he will vote against HR3200 no matter what

Eric Massa's letter to supporters in August saying the same - Single Payer, not 3200

Anyone calling him unprincipled or saying that he's full of shit has no freaking clue what's going on, and is ignorant, incompetent, and way too lazy to do any actual research. Get a clue, people.


The Fact, (0.00 / 0)
That Massa was full of shit in the past is not inconsistent with his continuing to be full of shit today.

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I disagree with Eric's vote but am willing to cut him slack. (0.00 / 0)
I have to agree with him that this is not the bill I wanted. I don't like some of the amendments, I don't like the public option. I am concerned that the bill does not do enough to reduce costs, increase coverage, and subsidize the poor.

But I also think that it appears to be the best bill that is likely to pass at this time. Had it been up to me-- and I phoned his office on Friday to tell him this-- I would have preferred that he vote for it.

But he is not full of shit and he has (as Amherst guy points out) been consistent on this.

Eric is maybe the most principled and honest person in Washington. If you want to argue that his principles get in the way of compromising, that might be true.

I, like Bob, am hopeful that when a final reconciled bill comes back to the House, that Eric will vote for it.


What The Hell Does This Mean? (0.00 / 0)
"Objections to constitutionality ... are all debateable points."  His "decade of study and immersion" must have included a major in Tea-Bagging 101.  I can't believe that in the entire Congressional District, there is not a single Democrat with more of a brain than this idiot.  

In the entire district (0.00 / 0)
there's only like 23 Democrats.

What's your deal? Massa CLEARLY is opposed to this from the left, but your either too embarrassed that you're wrong to come off of your point to admit it or to dumb to realize it, or you have a thing against Massa.

May I remind you of something: THE BILL PASSED.

I hope everyone else here is done engaging you, I know I am.


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The Bill Has Not "Passed" (0.00 / 0)
A bill becomes a law only when it passes both Houses.  Perhaps that constitutional law class that Massa has been boning up on didn't inform him of that.  The closeness of the vote in the House is already being touted by opponents in the Senate to justify them from backing off on this.  The Lincolns, Nelsons, Landrieus, etc., are already talking like this.  The fact that Massa dressed up his vote with BS "left wing" rhetoric is irrelevant.  As if Massa is really so much more ideologically pure than people like DeFazio, Frank, Weiner, Woolsey, Waters, etc. - John Dingell has been fighting for single payer for his entire career and he voted Yes.  The bottom line is the same: Massa cast his lot with the tea baggers (along with that nitwit Kucinich) and voted against healthcare reform.  We don't need Democrats like that.

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I stand corrected (0.00 / 0)
Since reviewing the history of Massa's policy statements on health care (thanks for the links, Amherst), and particularly his consistent stand on the desirability of a single payer plan, I agree that he opposed this bill based on progressive principles, and I can't fault him for that.  

Unfortunately, I still expect that the conference bill will be even weaker because the House bill barely passed, but that isn't exactly Massa's fault.  No doubt it will be more productive for me to target the Blue Dogs and other "Democrats" who voted for Stupak's amendment AND against the bill.  


In The Words of PT Barnum, (0.00 / 0)
A sucker is born every minute.  As I said at the outset, Massa thinks he's got a perfect scheme that lets him resist the tea baggers on the issue while still retaining the loyalty of the Democratic "left".  If you want to fall for it, be my guest, but it doesn't help get desperately needed healthcare reform enacted.

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