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Why are they unhappy?

by: davesnyd

Sat Dec 19, 2009 at 19:10:26 PM EST


Why is the right-wing upset about the current healthcare bill?

What else do they want?

I know why I and my friends on the left are upset-- we feel that the final bill gutted almost everything we thought would be valuable from healtchare reform.

We also feel like the right-wing won every battle on what would or would not be in the healthcare bill.

So why are they unhappy?

davesnyd :: Why are they unhappy?
It's worth recapping. Originally, there were three goals for healthcare:

  • Universal coverage, cradle to grave, no pre-existing condition traps, no recisions, no inability to obtain coverage when you need it
  • "Bend the curve": reduce the growth of costs of healthcare which have, in the past two decades, greatly outpaced inflation
  • Improve the quality of healthcare

Many-- most?-- on the left believed the best way to accomplish these three goals was with the "single payer option", "Canadian style health insurance", "Medicare for all". Use the existing health care provider systems but pay for them with one insurance plan, provided by the government, funded by a mixture of premiums and taxes (including the current payroll tax).

In the single payer system, everyone would be covered, you would be unable to loose that coverage, and premiums would be affordable and not depend on your other health conditions. So the first goal would be covered.

By having this entity negotiate rates for pharmaceuticals and devices and setting standardized rates for procedures and care, as well as removing the profits of the insurance companies, the second goal would be met.

Finally, by setting up panels to determine best practices and encouraging their adoption nationwide, we would be meet the third goal as well.

Impartial ratings have indicated that it would meet its goals at the lowest possible cost to the United States.

As we all know, single payer was never seriously considered, although members of both the House and the Senate attempted to introduce it.

Our next fall-back was "true public option". Most of us defined that as "ability to buy in to Medicare instead of a private insurance company at any age". That was never put on the table either.

Neither of these were seriously considered because of opposition from the right.

Both Houses talked about weakened public options: some other, non-Medicare plan, or co-ops, or a new non-profit insurance company.

Anything except the weakest of public options (if you can call the weakest public option a "public option"; and perhaps even that) have also been dropped. Again, because of opposition from the right.

As of now, most people are betting that nothing will happen along these lines. We could still be surprised in reconciliation, but it looks doubtful.

"Universal health coverage" isn't a likely outcome of either bill. Their attempts at moving towards UHC have been summed up with the word "mandate". All Americans will now be "mandated" to purchase insurance; even if it is not affordable. That mandate has been insisted upon by the insurance industry and so has been championed by their allies on the right.

In a non-public option realm, the best attempt to make health care affordable is to subsidize people of limited incomes. Those subsidies have been cut at the request of-- who else?-- the right wing.

To keep catastrophic care (car wrecks, cancer treatments, transplants) from bankrupting their unfortunate victims, clauses were added to remove maximum payments. Those, too, appear to have been removed from the Senate legislation (at least)-- presumably, at the behest of the right.

Any attempts or discussions of limiting reimbursements or setting up best practice boards to make sure that all Americans receive high-quality health care but that money isn't spent on procedures and treatments and devices that provide little or no benefit and may cause harm have been curtailed or eliminated because of the right-wing, "tea baggers" and their demonization of these policies as "grandma killers".

So to recap:

  • The current "health care reform bills" won't provide universal coverage
  • Healthcare costs may be unaffordable for some or many Americans and will continue to skyrocket for all
  • People who are unlucky enough to get very ill may still find themselves destitute
  • Best practices will not be encouraged or enforced, leaving many people obtaining expensive and potentially harmful care of possibly dubious value

Everything that made this bill good, both from a policy and politics perspective has been removed.

As a bonus, the Republicans who spent all summer screaming about how healthcare reform would allow government to come between patients and their doctors have now inserted language in bills before both Houses to limit choice of patients when it comes to reproductive medicine. I'm not here to debate the abortion issue now: just to point out the hypocrisy of opposing healthcare because of government intrusion, only to use the bills themselves as a means to do just that.

So what is there in this bill to appeal to those of us on the left? There are attempts to improve coverage and affordability and provide subsidies; there's talk about studying best practices and trying to do something to bend the curve. That's about it. Not much and not clear of how much value.

For the right? They get a mandate that will increase subscribers of their insurance company allies. They have eliminated the central negotiating body that would have put price pressure on other corporate allies. There is no new competition to the insurance companies that will lower their profit margins. The final governmental subsidies will most likely be smaller than necessary to keep healthcare affordable. And they get the choice wording they wanted in the bill.

So why are they upset?

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I've been wondering myself (0.00 / 0)
This is an excellent question. I hope some of the talking heads start asking it, because it exposes how the Republicans are all about naked power grabs and nothing else.

It's really very simple (0.00 / 0)
And was stated very clearly by Jim Demint back in July:

"If we're able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo. It will break him," he said.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/...

That's all that every mattered to the GOP, that's all that will ever matter. I'm not convinced there are many, or even any GOPers left that would put country over party. If they deliver a defeat to Obama, even if 45,000 Americans continue to die for lack of access to healthcare, I'd say most of them are indifferent to that fact.

It could be perceived as an Obama victory. I'm personally not convinced this legislation will effectively address the challenges our health care system is facing. And if it doesn't, and rather quickly, it will be bad for Democrats electorally. It can easily be spun (and may actually be) another big giveaway to big biz. Collecting fines for not hading over large amounts of cash to Blue Cross/Blue Shield just seems to me to be a Frankenstein monster combining the worst of conservatism and the worst of liberalism.

I guess at this point, we can only hope for the best. Hope the cynics are wrong and the optimists are right.


because they failed & they're whiners (4.00 / 1)
The right wing actually failed in maintaining the status quo, which they have been paid to do through the system of what John McCain calls "legalized bribery." Republicans have willingly been paid off by the health insurance lobby to kill off all reform and maintain the outrageously unethical, dysfunctional, for-profit health care system in this country.

While the Democrats in Congress have failed in bringing about the type of reforms many people, myself included, believe is really necessary (i.e. a public option, expansion of Medicare or, ideally, a single-payer system for all), they have succeeded in making some reform and at least putting in place a foundation for future health care reform.

In addition, the right-wingers still don't like having a Black president, let alone a Democratic President & Congress.
They have proven that their only legislative goal right now is to...object and obstruct...everything. Like a bunch of schoolyard bullies who have finally had their power taken away from them.


I Agree With You Paco (4.00 / 1)
But what are the Dems doing to rebuff the Republicans?  It seems that the Republican message is getting through to their brainwashed base and Independents are looking more to them than Dems.  This bill is NOT the bill you, I and many many others want, but it is a stepping stone to future (I hope) and better bills.  2010 is here and right now things don't look good for November in part because of this bill but mostly because of jobs.  Obama and Congress now have to turn their complete attention to job creation and getting people back to work.  They need to look at how FDR did this after the great depression and learn from that.  Infrastructures, reeducation, etc are what needs to happen and needs to happen IMMEDIATELY or November 2010 can be a bloodbath.  Look, my own Congressman (Mike McMahon - a DINO) voted against the Healthcare bill but I would rather have him in DC than a Republican.  We have to hold our majority status in BOTH Houses and in the Senate build on that with talking points that rebuff the RNC.  

Oh, I just heard that Tom Coburn asked people to pray that one of the 60 Dems becomes so incompasitated that they can't pass their vote!  This is disgusting.  


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good question... (0.00 / 0)
...to my way of thinking, the Democrats will need to start firing up their base to counter the Republicans, whose base is pretty rile for the 2010 elections. A little more focus on populist issues that matter most to people may help.



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Lots of great reasons to pass this bill (4.00 / 1)
1) We need Obama to get reelected

2) Its a start down the universal health care path

3) Mandates coverage cannot be denied for preexisting conditions

4) Eliminates lifetime caps

What this bill is most crucially missing is none of the things you list, most of which never had a chance of passing in this go round, but elimination of the pay per procedure system that causes doctors to order tens of millions of unnecessary procedures each year based on profit margins. That is THE CORE CAUSE of spiraling health care costs, and - in order to secure the backing of the AMA - this bill sadly does nothing to fix it, despite both Presidents Bush and Obama publicly favoring changing it.


Bad Bill (0.00 / 0)
This is diametrically the wrong approach: it raises costs, restricts choice and limits market forces.  It enshrines yet another slow-moving, weak-minded bureaucracy, instead of bringing the power of the free market to bear.  

As opposed to a fast-moving, management oriented, private (0.00 / 0)
system dedicated to screw its customers out of as much money as possible so management can make millions & still have money left to bribe (oops! lobby) congress?

As for bureaucratic, have you ever tried to dispute a claim?  Yeah, private insure companies are "fast moving" - i.e fast to deny your claim & make you fight for it to get it back.

But as long as we have single payer, EITHER system will be bureaucratic.

HylasBrook


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It's All Ideology (0.00 / 0)
I think Republicans are unhappy because as the party has shrunk it has become more ideological and less adept at proposing real solutions to people's problems.

It seems to me that the Republican "agenda" is that tax cuts are always good, government intervention is always bad, and markets solve everything. These mantras are taken as universally true, regardless of their application to actual issues. There is no weighing of whether this tax increase might be worthwhile to have that program, little analysis as to whether government intervention might be helpful in a particular area, or whether markets have actually failed in a specific field. The ideology must prevail, because they know it's right in all instances.

I take as an example the proposal to have the government fund student loans directly instead of giving money to banks to do so. Giving money to the banks allowed them to make essentially risk-free loans and make a bundle, when the government could have made the same loans at less cost. Yet Senator Lamar Alexander decried the proposal as another "government takeover" of the student loan field. One would have thought that if there was a market incentive to provide affordable loans to low-income families for higher education, the "market" would have taken care of it. But that doesn't matter; it's direct government intervention that must be bad because it's always bad, even if it means providing more loans to more students at a lower cost.

Same with health care: anything that smacks of government intervention must be opposed, because we know that government can't do anything right. It's irrelevant that all of our peer nations cover everyone, get comparable outcomes, and spend far less than we do (and in most of those systems the doctors, hospitals, and insurers remain private). It doesn't matter that our market-based system has failed to provide higher quality at a lower cost. The only thing that matters is the ideology, because the ideology must be correct.

And to the extend that facts do matter, the can be trumped by the ideological commitment to "freedom" or "liberty." The health insurance mandate violates that core principle--who is the government to tell people they have to buy insurance? Of course, this argument ignores the restriction on liberty imposed by our current system: people have to take a huge risk to start their own business, or work for small businesses that don't offer insurance, if it means risking the coverage they already have. Some people even avoid taking higher paying jobs because it would mean losing Medicaid coverage for a relative with a preexisting condition. Or, as I read in one discussion forum: "Those Democrats are trying to take away my freedom to get sick, go bankrupt and die. Damned socialists!"

Politically, Republicans win only if Democrats lose because they don't have any serious ideas of their own to address these issues. Now, failure by the other side is not a new political strategy. Democrats didn't have much of a positive platform in 2006 when they essentially ran on a record of Republican failures (as Michael Kinsley wrote, the only thing harder to ignore than the elephant in the room was the donkey that wasn't in the room). But when you get a party that's as ideologically dominated as this one and which needs to show a record of failure by the opposition to return to power, I think you're going to get the highly partisan results we see here regardless of the merits of the legislation. So Republicans will continue to express their unhappiness, for both political and ideological reasons.

Of interest is Jonathan Chait's article "The Rise of Republican Nihilism" at The New Republic: http://www.tnr.com/article/pol...


This is a progressive win (0.00 / 0)
* community rating
* guaranteed issue
* subsidies for those who can't afford it

In NYS, we have the first two, had them for years, and have tried to provide subsidies in various forms.  So in some ways, this is the rest of the country catching up with us.

But you must understand that none of the reforms work without a mandate.  One of the reasons individual and small business insurance in NYS is so high is precisely because there is no mandate.  This is not a give-away to the insurance industry.  To say that is just ignorant.


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