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"Corruption costs money"

by: robinia

Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 23:31:27 PM EST


Paterson has vetoed the legislature's ethics bill. Says it doesn't go far enough-- which it doesn't, but, it is the accepted incremental approach of governments and football teams to carry the ball as far down the field as you can.  

Paterson got some 'splainin' to do.

robinia :: "Corruption costs money"
Here is what the goo-goo groups united say the bill would have accomplished (or might still, if an override can be attained).

   Critical changes to executive branch ethics

       * Unlike previous executive branch ethics agencies, the legislation proposes that no one elected official chooses a majority of the appointments to the commission.
       * The legislation grants to the commission the crucial power to randomly review ethics filings to ensure honesty and accuracy.

   Critical changes to lobbying oversight

       * All state and municipal lobbyists and their clients must report business relationships with state public officials.
       * Expands the definition of lobbying to include lobbying for resolutions.

   Critical changes to legislative branch ethics

       * The most important change is that the legislation creates an office of legislative ethics investigation.  This new entity would have a board that contains no lawmakers and no lobbyists, among other restrictions.  In addition, the new office has the powers necessary to fully investigate complaints.

   Critical changes to campaign finance enforcement

       * As proposed in the legislation, the State Board of Elections (SBOE) enforcement counsel and special counsel would have four-year terms with removal only for cause.  The enforcement counsel would have power to initiate investigations. The legislation requires a majority vote of the in order to stop an investigation from going forward.  Determination of violation and issuance of penalties would still rest with the Board.

   Critical changes to disclosure requirements

       * Currently, public officials are required to disclose the sources of outside income and the value of that income within ranges established in law.  However, those dollar-figure ranges are redacted from public view.  Under the legislation those dollar-figure ranges would become public and a new range is added from $250,000 to $1,000,000.
       * Those required to report under the lobbying law would now have to report business relationships they may have with public officials.  Such relationships are not currently disclosed.
       * Candidates would be required, for the first time, to file disclosure with the State Board of Elections in a uniform format that would be made available to the public on-line.
       * Expenditures by individuals or groups that are independent of the candidate, and thus were not subject to campaign finance disclosure, would be required to file disclosure that would, for the most part, mirror the disclosure of candidates.  Thus, the public will know the names of those who contribute $100 or more to these groups.

I have to agree with Sampson on this one:

Corruption costs money. Inaction is unacceptable, and change delayed is change denied.
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It's a weasel way out for him (0.00 / 0)
This is his attempt to paint himself a "government reformer" without actually doing any government reforming.  Being realistic, getting any bill like this out of the legislature was tough enough.  Getting whatever vague, nebulous idea he has through - a bill that "goes far enough" would be impossible.  He knows that, he just doesn't want the political flack for vetoing this bill.  

I disagree (0.00 / 0)
Governor Paterson, as is his right, has vetoed this bill because it does not go far enough to curb the excesses in Albany. Putting the legislature in charge of writing and passing a bill that polices the legislature is a bad idea.

The majority voted for it because it is an election year. Not wanting the appearance of being "anti-ethics" in the face of growing dissatisfaction among the electorate, our current legislators would have passed anything, even the governor's bill.

In passing this inferior law, the Senate and Assembly can claim they are on the side of reform - and now point to the Governor as being against it. Brilliant. It seems that the public will take this bait and move on to other issues, incumbents will keep their seats, and meaningful reform in Albany will die a slow death at the hands of those who benefit from corruption the most.

There is a missed opportunity here. New York voters are fed up with the way Albany works. Governor Paterson identified numerous ways to clean up the mess and get the government working for the people again. John Sampson and the majority in the Senate cynically watered down that vision to appear to be for reform, while still maintaining much of the status quo.

John Sampson does have a point. Corruption costs money and inaction is unacceptable - BUT, change can be either swift and sweeping or slow and incremental - it seems Governor Paterson desires swift, while Sampson prefers the appearance of reform witrhout actually embracing it.

These are good first steps, but now is the time (BEFORE the election) to enact meaningful, real reform - that is the message the governor needs to convey, that is the change New Yorkers deserve.

Tax the Church.


Hm. (4.00 / 2)
I'm just not seeing Paterson prevailing and getting his bill this way.  He does not have the clout right now, and he is in a pitched battle with them over the budget, with little agreement looking likely.  

And, like it or not, it is only the Legislature that can enact any ethics law, strong or less so.  Because they enact the laws.  


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I agree, but (0.00 / 0)
The Governor is (was) in a unique position when he introduced his strong ethics plan.

He had NOTHING to lose and everything to gain by being on the voters side in cleaning up Albany. Painting the legislature as weak on reform would just be a plus as most of them don't want any reform.

Unfortunately, this governor lacks political will even when that will is the last tool in his toolbox.

I was mainly mourning this lost opportunity to get real change - an angry electorate, an upcoming electorate and strong leadership from the governor's mansion are the perfect storm to overcome this passed milque-toast bill -  too bad it seems too late already.

Tax the Church.


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Yep. (4.00 / 1)
Chalk up another lost opportunity to (hoisted up by hisself onto it) Spitzer's petard.  Paterson was just thrust, weak, playing catch-up, into something he wasn't prepared for....and he has never caught up.

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Yes, he did have something to lose (4.00 / 1)
He wasn't going to get the bill he wanted.  Period.  This was a partial step towards ethics reform.  It's what can be gotten now.  He could then have moved towards getting additional laws strengthening it.  

Instead, he vetoes it, and puts off ethics reform until at least next year.  This is another of his usual botched attempts to look "strong" while antagonizing everybody in the legislature and a number of groups.  His explanation, such as it is, really doesn't work for the public, either.

From what I've seen in the Albany press, his veto will be overridden.  Which doesn't make him look like a "strong governor" at all.  So he lost.  


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I love your football analogy. (4.00 / 1)
Spot on. And funny.

Represents (0.00 / 0)
the sum total of my understanding of football.  But, 'tis the season to think about football.

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Goo-goo groups united (0.00 / 0)
They are NOT all united.  Common Cause has taken the difficult step of walking away from a bill that only a hack politician would hail as serious ethics reform.  The difference between "on paper" and "real world" is highlighted in Common Cause's reading of this bill.

There are loopholes in income reporting that would allow far too many legislators (including Speaker Silver and Senate Dem. Caucus Leader Sampson) off the hook.

Dollar ranges on income aren't sufficient, particularly when they are so broad.

There is no outside ethics commission empowered to oversee the legislators.

There's a lot more, but the point is that virtually everything that its supporters laud in this bill is overblown, while much (including vitally needed reform) is ignored.  This is a bad bill, and those hack politicians should not be allowed to go before television cameras and pat themselves on the back for it.


Sorry about that. (4.00 / 1)
I believed the Cap Con story, which did not cover Common Cause having a minority opinion among the goo-goos.  BTW-- none of them "hailed it as serious ethics reform." Everyone, me included, thinks more is needed.  The tactics for getting there are the issue.

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fragmented, disjointed, incrementalism... (4.00 / 1)
... or so one of my profs had described the legislative process ~ 30 years ago.  Things have only degenerated since, especially in our State Capitol.  The "doesn't go far enough" rationale reminds of Joe Bruno and others saying they couldn't go along with the Gov's. proposed school tax cap because a 4% limit on annual school tax levy growth was too high.

Throw them all out on their asses and start over... (4.00 / 1)
...Why not try that?

We've got some work ahead of us.

Maybe just most... (0.00 / 0)
but, generally, yeah, and in the case of Paterson, "hell, yeah." Pass the pitchforks and lets get busy, 'cuz, like da man sez: We've got some work ahead of us.

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Because the group will just do the same thing (0.00 / 0)


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