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NY-Sen: Spitzer's trial balloon

by: devtob

Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 22:13:33 PM EST


Former Gov. Eliot Spitzer has lately emerged from his time-with-the-family decent interval with online and cable TV commentary about the need for better regulation of Wall Street.

And Spitzer is also dropping hints that he may join Harold Ford of Tennessee, Merrill Lynch, the DLC, NBC and the Park Avenue Regency in challenging the excellent Senator Kirsten Gillibrand this year.

According to Lloyd Grove of the Daily Beast, "Spitzer is making fresh noises about running against Senator Kirsten Gillibrand in New York."

Grove notes that Spitzer is trying to exorcise his prostitute-ridden past by talking somewhat openly about it in a Big Think interview, and that his media profile rose with his appearance this week on The Colbert Report.

Details, below.
devtob :: NY-Sen: Spitzer's trial balloon
Grove reports that three anonymous sources told him that Spitzer is considering a run for office this year, against Gillibrand or Comptroller Tom DiNapoli (which had been previously rumored in the NYC press).

One of them told Grove this:

He wants to be relevant. I think he keeps toying with it - running against Kirsten Gillibrand or running for comptroller. He doesn't have to raise the money. He already has the money, if he decides to do it. I told him he had to consider if this was something he wanted to drag his family back through again, especially if there is anything else [that is, a fresh scandal] out there. ... I hear that Silda [Spitzer's wife] doesn't want him to do it."

Grove's piece does not mention that Spitzer has been criticizing Gillibrand for months now, like here in the Big Think interview:

I think she has unfortunately shown she's more of a careerist than a politician dedicated to standing up for a principle on issues of immigration rights, on issues of gun control, on issues relating to some core principles I believe in. But she is the senator and we'll see what happens.

That careerist slam is odd. Gillibrand has been an elected public official for about three years. Spitzer was a statewide-elected public official for nine-plus years, and after a retirement-forcing scandal less than two years ago wants back in.

So who's the real careerist?

And his criticism of Gillibrand's House record, which some have voiced here, neglects to mention that she has as a Senator modified her NY-20 positions on gun control and immigration to better reflect the views of her statewide constituents.

Which most fair-minded Democrats applaud.

Spitzer, like his fellow multi-millionaire Manahttanites who are backing/funding Ford, has a geographic prejudice against Gillibrand because she's from upstate.

And he assumes she's a soft target, as an appointed Senator.

Spitzer will probably recognize that he has no chance against Gillibrand or DiNapoli, and reel in the trial balloon.

But he must believe that putting up the trial balloon will help increase his media bookings, and move along his slow-but-eventual public rehabilitation.

So, Spitzer has his friends leak to Grove, gets taken semi-seriously as a possible candidate, and wins no matter what.

Such are the ways of the corporate media, and of frustrated former politicians like Spitzer.
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NY-Sen: Spitzer's trial balloon | 55 comments
Elliot should just stay away (4.00 / 6)
He was a good AG, but his record as Governor before getting caught with his pants down wasn't anything to write home about.

The problem with living in that little bubble that he and Ford seem to be in is that they really don't grasp - or remember - the actual political landscape in this state.  

Yup. (4.00 / 3)
Eliot's story wrote its own ending-with-moral: too much rich-boy NYC arrogance and sense of entitlement causes you to be too oblivious to danger and take unwinnable confrontational risks-- in the legislature, with the public (yeah, his "principled"-- aka "tone-deaf"-- stance on immigration, advanced publicly w/out checking in with any real, you-know, immigrants, set the cause back substantially), even with the law.  The guy takes unreasonable risks because he has an outsize sense of entitlement.  Its a character flaw that makes him unfit for most public offices, despite his other positive qualities.  Blame his daddy, if you don't want to hold him personally responsible, but, we can't trust him with responsibility.

He should collect his trust-fund money and devote his life to charitable service.  Eliot: volunteer to do lawyering for a good cause-- your pick.  

[ Parent ]
He was also governor for a year... (4.00 / 2)
Not exactly enough time to get things done, as we have seen with President Obama.

That said, I don't see Spitzer as a good fit for the Senate seat. He's not a legislator. He's an executive. A good job for him would be comptroller, where we could use a higher profile candidate.  

[ Parent ]
It would a great bully pulpit for him to try to clean up wall street using the pension fund (4.00 / 2)
...and not a bad way to screw with cuomo.  
[ Parent ]
This would be an interesting candidacy. (0.00 / 0)
Spitzer has a message that could resonate.
huh? (4.00 / 5)

[ Parent ]
A message that resonates? Hookers for everybody? (4.00 / 6)
Look, I liked Spitzer as much as anybody--still do, in fact, despite him proving that he has the IQ of a rusty fencepost when it comes to women. But the message and style he pursued as an AG did not serve him well as Governor, and it wouldn't serve him well as a Senator. He had and has a "My way or the highway" style. That may be great when you're AG and only have to deal with potential enemies, but when you actually have to govern and your unstoppable force meets the immovable object that is a modern legislature... kaboom.

I wish it were otherwise, since I think Spitzer was a great AG, and would probably still have been the best choice we have available for Governor, but he still managed to gut himself like a fish, and you don't recover from that this soon.  

[ Parent ]
I always thought he was smart (4.00 / 4)
but he showed he lacked sense when it came how to be a governor.  That's besides the personal stupidity when it came to women.  His problem is going to be that whatever memories people have of him as the crusading AG is overlaid by his resignation, and that he wasn't doing very well as governor. He antagonized a lot of people with his style - it really wasn't suited for the office.  It's also not suitable for a Senator.  
[ Parent ]
Spitzer (4.00 / 6)
must be smoking something if he truly believes his landslide electoral victory in '06 was due to his personal charisma - or his so-called intelligence.

It was due only to his well-crafted persona as a law and order crusader.  That's it.  And he blew it.  He is the Amazing Shrinky Dink of New York politics as far as I'm concerned.  He still looks, walks and talks the same but he's so much tinier.

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Huh? Oh yeah, it's like, sooooo unthinkable (0.00 / 0)
that someone, somewhere out there in NYC considers Spitzer perhaps to be an interesting primary challenger for Gillibrand.

First, you don't get much more "outsider" than Spitzer nowadays. Thanks to his sexcapades while governor, of course. But them I'm not one of those voters who frankly gives a flying f*ck about a pol's sexcapades. Didn't care about Clinton's, didn't care about Spitzer's. If I lived in LA, I wouldn't care about David Vitter's (although I'd sure have other issues with him!) So to me that's all besides the point, water under the bridge, etc. Maybe I'm the onliest NYer who feels that way, but who knows?

Then there's the part about putting a liberal reformer with a  take-no-prisoners style in the US Senate, an institution that desperately needs some shaking up (and no prisoners taken). THAT is REALLY tempting. (I hear that Al Franken has been dishing it out to the WH, the GOP and even certain members of his own party behind the scenes. Good for him.)

And additionally, Spitzer might provide a nice counter-point to our senior senator. When egos collide!

But he'd have to perform pretty well in the primary, and he'll have to raise $$$ to do that. I don't see him going to the same trough as Ford, ha ha. Don't know where the $$$'ll come from, frankly. So he's got another problem there.   Actually, I see his biggest problem being the the Gillibrand supporters on this site (kidding!). Seriously though, any challenge, however ridiculous (Ford), fumbly (Maloney), or totally outta left field (Spitzer) seems to send some of you into a frenzy. It's like you have absolutely no confidence in your candidate. That's your cue...

 

[ Parent ]
It's not that we have no confidence in our candidate, it's (4.00 / 2)
that we don't have confidence in the electorate.  (See Nader 2000, Bush 2004, Scott Brown 2010.)

The perfect fit for Spitzer is as Wall Street Czar, or in the Treasury department overseeing Wall Street.  He knows where the bodies are buried, and has a pit bull way of going after things.  (Unlike Governor or Senator which requires cooperation.)

Anyhow, not to be nasty (well actually, to be nasty) if he runs for Senator, won't some people say he just wants to closer to his escort service?

HylasBrook

[ Parent ]
Finally somebody admits it. (0.00 / 0)
"We don't have confidence in the electorate." So that's what the Albany Project has come to? Three men in a blog?  THAT'S why the strenuous objection to an actual Dem Primary?  

All along it had nothing to do with "damaging" Gillibrand for the general, did it? You're just afraid voters may not like YOUR  choice. And YOU know what's best for NY after all,   YOU even know the "perfect fit" for Spitzer (Wall St Czar/ Treasury) too!

Ugh.

 

[ Parent ]
I can only roll my eyes at your post. (4.00 / 3)
Apparently, being honest about the fact that Spitzer is not suited to the job and isn't politically capable of the comeback right now counts as a pro-Gillibrand "frenzy."

You yourself admit that all of the potential primary challengers to Gillibrand have been disastrous. But apparently for anyone to actually SAY that--at least anyone other than you--is evidence of pro-Gillibrand bias.  

[ Parent ]
I didn't say "disastrous," you did. (0.00 / 0)
I said "ridiculous, fumbly, and out of left field."

But no matter. Roll your eyes all you want. I will continue to argue that it's up to the voters to decide who they want representing them. The attitude of certain people around here, "We don't have confidence in the electorate" not to pick Kirsten...is not my cup of tea.  

[ Parent ]
Yes, because clearly we run the state Democratic Party. (4.00 / 4)
All hail the all-powerful bloggers of The Albany Project.

And yet strangely our massive influence hasn't yet gotten rid of my Congressman, nor Pedro Espada, Hiram Monserrate, Kevin Parker, or any of the other people that the denizens of this site oppose.

I think you're giving our thought-control abilities a bit too much credit.  

[ Parent ]
You guys make it perfectly clear what the party line (0.00 / 0)
on Gillibrand.

As for three men in a blog, that appears aspirational and metaphorical, and an attempt at humor. Fortunately not reality.  "We don't have confidence in the electorate." Duly noted. Not forgotten.

[ Parent ]
That sentence makes no sense. (4.00 / 1)
"You guys make it perfectly clear what the party line on Gillibrand."

Even if you completely forgot an "is" in there somewhere, what's the point? What power are we handful of bloggers supposed to possess other than expressing our own personal opinions? And once again--I don't see you writing regular diaries in support of primary challenges. Well written stuff, even stuff Phillip doesn't agree with, gets on the main page. If we're the only ones expressing opinions, you can hardly gripe that ours are the only opinions getting expressed.

[ Parent ]
For clarity. Should have read, (0.00 / 0)
"You guys make it perfectly clear what the party line on Gillibrand is."

And for more clarity. I'm not talking about diaries and i'm not griping. There is another poster here who has already written a couple of very nice diaries in support of primaries, if I recall.
 

[ Parent ]
And mark my words after you've finished "rolling your eyeballs." (0.00 / 0)
If a Spitzer candidacy looks even remotely possible, there will be a "frenzy" of negative posts on this site by devtob and others.  
[ Parent ]
"Crusading" does not equal effective (4.00 / 2)
You seem to think that a Senator should be someone out there making lots of "take no prisoners" statements would be a good thing.   Well, maybe if he was in the minority party.  In terms of actually getting things done, it sucks.  It was why he didn't accomplish much as a governor.  Ignoring the sex stuff, there's also his own personal "troopergate" scandal.  He set back any prosecution of Bruno for a while by that.

If you actually look at the records of a lot of the politicians who are the darlings of their parties, who have that "take no prisoners" reputation, it turns out that they're not very effective in their jobs.  The state needs effective Senators, not someone who's just there to posture.  

[ Parent ]
I didn't say anything about (0.00 / 0)
take no prisoners "statements." I could give two sh8ts about "statements." I would personally LOVE to see someone from my state taking no prisoners on Wall Street and in the broken, moribund, undemocratic US Senate.

But that may just be me projecting. That may not be what Spitzer's candidacy would be about at all. And I might get disappointed.  Or the media and this blog might try to turn the whole thing into an Enquirer-style circus with constant references to hookers and by high-fiving the random unhealthy imaginings of certain commenters: "Every time someone even mentions Spitzer, I get an image of an ugly, naked white guy wearing black socks.  Make it stop, please." That one got a 4:00/4. Klassy. BUT... We can be 100% sure the GOP will be going down that same porcelain highway too (despite David Vitter), so we'd have the opportunity to gauge Spitzer's ability to address all that in the primary. If he's a lousy campaigner and can't manage it, his primary campaign would go down in flames. If he turned out to be not so bad, or Dem voters don't care about all sensational sex stuff, it could be a good thing for NY and the US Senate.

[ Parent ]
Do you read what you write? (4.00 / 2)
liberal reformer with a  take-no-prisoners style in the US Senate,

First, he's not all that liberal.  Second, his "take no prisoners style" is exactly what made him a lousy governor, and would make him a lousy Senator.  

You're just another one of those who's been careening from candidate to candidate looking for the great anti-Gillibrand hope.  

[ Parent ]
I'm not careening anywhere. (0.00 / 0)
And I'm not anti-Gillibrand. I would pick her in a heartbeat over Ford (and after a couple sputtering weeks of a disastrous rollout, I preferred her over my own congresswoman, Carolyn Maloney).

I can't make myself any clearer. I am not 100% sold on Gillibrand any more than I am even remotely sold on Spitzer. BUT I LIKE PRIMARIES! Period.

[ Parent ]
With all the disasters this Legislative term, there may (4.00 / 1)
be a consensus to rewrite parts of the state's constitution.   One important thing to tackle is the timing of the primaries.  The second Tuesday in September is WAY too late.  (I think the primaries for the MA Senatorial election was just a few weeks shorter than New York's.)

Illinois just had its primary.  Many states have them in May.  That gives the candidates and their parties time to 'kiss and make up' and go after the other party's candidate.  

With New York's primary schedule candidates spend more time attacking each other than going after candidates of the other party.

If NY had a March or June Primary, then a Democratic primary wouldn't be so bad.  The late date can often leave the winner too damaged to win against the other party.

Not to mention all the money and attention spent attacking other Democrats instead of the "real enemy," the Republicans.

HylasBrook

[ Parent ]
Don't hand me that. (0.00 / 0)
You were perfectly clear above about why you don't want a primary: "We don't have confidence in the electorate."
[ Parent ]
"Crusading" does not equal effective (4.00 / 2)
You seem to think that a Senator should be someone out there making lots of "take no prisoners" statements would be a good thing.   Well, maybe if he was in the minority party.  In terms of actually getting things done, it sucks.  It was why he didn't accomplish much as a governor.  Ignoring the sex stuff, there's also his own personal "troopergate" scandal.  He set back any prosecution of Bruno for a while by that.

If you actually look at the records of a lot of the politicians who are the darlings of their parties, who have that "take no prisoners" reputation, it turns out that they're not very effective in their jobs.  The state needs effective Senators, not someone who's just there to posture.  

[ Parent ]
Please tell me what an "effective" senator is in 2010... (0.00 / 0)
...when every single piece of Dem legislation and every single presidential  appointment has to be accomplished by super-majority and the GOP admits that they have no interest whatsoever in bipartisanship with a Dem in the WH?

[ Parent ]
Effective is getting the support of other Democratic senators. (4.00 / 1)
And yes, of getting the support of some Republicans, because actually not everything has been on a supermajority basis.

Effective is being able to work with administration officials to insure fair representation for their constituents.

Effective is being able to understand the day to day legislative issues that affect the lives of New Yorkers, including north of Westchester.  

[ Parent ]
What GOP Senators exactly? (0.00 / 0)
Snowe screwed Dems on HCR, along with Grassley and  the other GOPers on Baucus's committee who never intended to vote yes on the piece of legislation they helped draw up. The fact of the matter is that there ARE NO members of the GOP in the Senate, even the few moderates left -- Snowe, Collins, Voinovich -- who are willing to buck McConnell.

So while, in theory at least, I'd agree that an ideal US Senator should be able to work with the other side, there is, in reality, no one on the other side to work with. maybe that means we may have to redefine what an effective Dem Senator from a solidly blue state is.

[ Parent ]
Not everything is healthcare reform. (4.00 / 1)
We passed the Lily Ledbetter Act with three Republicans behind us: Snowe, Collins, and of all people Lisa Murkowski.  
[ Parent ]
I actually don't disagree (4.00 / 1)
I think he'd be an immediate contender...in 2012. When Gillibrand has to run again.

Too soon still.

But I do think that the Spitzer "dream" for most non-politicos has some resonance left. After all, his transgressions were outside of his role as Governor, so its not like he broke the public trust.

Not saying I'd support him, that's just how I see it.

[ Parent ]
Spitzer may well not be rehabilitated enough for prime time. (0.00 / 0)
But how about let's let the voters decide, should it actually come to that, instead of taking the high and mighty attitude of HylasBrook: "We don't have confidence in the electorate."

I can't even tell you how repugnant and dispiriting that attitude on a blog like this is.

[ Parent ]
Sorry, but I spent a lot of hours working on Coakley's campaign. (4.00 / 1)
After Scott Brown's win there was poll - a majority of MA voters want Brown to work with Obama on health reform.  What part of Brown's "I'll be the 41st vote against health care" did they not get?

What about Kos's poll that shows close to a majority either believe or are not sure that Obama was born in the US and all that other drivel Fox news put out?

It's a little hard to have faith in the electorate right now.


HylasBrook

[ Parent ]
So another poster agrees with you. (0.00 / 0)
that "we can't trust the electorate." Cat's outta the bag.
[ Parent ]
Make it go away (4.00 / 6)
Every time someone even mentions Spitzer, I get an image of an ugly, naked white guy wearing black socks.  Make it stop, please.  
Yikes! You might consider seeing a therapist about that, Answerlady. (0.00 / 0)
Not sure why that comment deserved a 4.00/4 until I checked out the who's who. It's still the Gillibrand Project after all. Circle the wagons!
[ Parent ]
I see the thought police (0.00 / 0)
have been around rewarding all those with good behavior. Huh? even got a 4.00/3!
[ Parent ]
Who cares what the comments rate (4.00 / 1)
It means absolutely nothing at all.
[ Parent ]
You and I may not care, (0.00 / 0)
but others evidently do, judging by all the rating they did up-thread.
[ Parent ]
Not me. (4.00 / 3)
I just uprated the comment 'cuz I like the image and am sock-hoppping mad at Spitzer still.

If another upstate woman challenged Gillibrand in the primary, I'd listen closely.  Heck, I even politely listened to Tasini while he lectured sure-to-lose drivel at us for 20 minutes or so a couple of weeks ago.  I'm whatchacall liberal.

[ Parent ]
So the 2010 NY State Dem primary must be limited to upstate women. (0.00 / 0)
And that's "whatchacall liberal." More revelations.  
[ Parent ]
Now you're just bordering on trolling. (4.00 / 1)
Particularly when she just mentioned listening to Tasini go on for 20 minutes. If you'll listen to him, you'll listen to just about anyone.  
[ Parent ]
Excuse me? (0.00 / 0)
How else am I supposed to read this? "If another upstate woman challenged Gillibrand in the primary, I'd listen closely." Not sure why/how "I even politely listened to Tasini..." modifies that.

[ Parent ]
That she prefers a Senator who's an upstater and a woman. (4.00 / 1)
That's not a statement of exclusivity.  
[ Parent ]
Nothing in that statement indicates a preference. (0.00 / 0)
It's become apparent that most posters here want Senate representation from one of your own. It's always been Gillibrand, come what may, unless what comes is another woman from upstate apparently. At least someone finally came out and said it.  
[ Parent ]
Is it really so selfish for upstate to want some representation? (4.00 / 1)
But apparently it's not selfish to expect that every single top Democratic official in New York have roots in NYC. God forbid there should be ONE that can name some destinations north of Yonkers.
[ Parent ]
Absolutely not selfish to want upstate representation. (0.00 / 0)
It's the way you may get it is what bothers me.

As far as I am concerned, Gillibrand seems like a perfectly viable candidate, but I would like to see her in action. Road test her, as it were. Because the way she's been handled so far gives me  the impression that people are absolutely terrified to run her against any Democrat, no matter how feeble, in a primary. And that does not necessarily give me much confidence about how she'll run in the general.

[ Parent ]
I don't know where you are from, JohnS, (4.00 / 1)
and I won't make assumptions. But if you are from anywhere in the 5 boroughs, the only thing you know about Kirsten is the garbage that the Times prints...I've yet to see a piece with the slightest bit of accuracy since she became a senator. It's like she and the Governor have become the media whipping boys since they don't have Hillary to pick on anymore.

I live in her former congressional district. I know the woman personally.

She IS road tested. That's why she's the senator and Princess Caroline is not.  

[ Parent ]
I live in NYC. (0.00 / 0)
So I  should just take your recommendation, and that of others here, and buy a product that is, for me, largely sight unseen? Not my personal preference.

And not sure what your "Princess Caroline" comment is about.  My objections are to how the WH and state party have lorded over the primary process, and have absolutely nothing to do with Gillibrand's appointment.

[ Parent ]
Don't take my recommendation. (0.00 / 0)
But at least do your homework. If you are reading the NYC papers, then you are not doing your homework, because they are not doing theirs.

I agree, no one should buy a product sight unseen.

But if you don't have enough information to "buy the product", what makes you think you know enough about it to trash it?

The Princess Caroline remark refers to the hysteria of the NY press over Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg's failure to be appointed to the seat, and especially the fact that so many found it perfectly acceptable that she was not road tested in the least.

If it's road-testing you want, get in your car. Kirsten is the most road-tested and qualified of any of the presumptive candidates. The Governor made the best possible choice.  

[ Parent ]
Sorry, but that's baloney. (0.00 / 0)
What she said is perfectly clear. The word  PREFER appears nowhere in that statement.
[ Parent ]
Show me the money (4.00 / 3)
If he has the money, it must be in his pockets.  His only campaign committee with any cash on hand right now is Spitzer 2010, Inc., which has all of $229K.  That's not nearly enough to mount a campaign.  He doesn't have a federal committee, or at least not one with his name in it.
I suspect Spitzer's chances depend on what happens (4.00 / 3)
 (or doesn't) with the rumored Paterson scandal.

If that explodes, New Yorkers will not only be reminded of Spitzer's trainwreck, but might also remember that Spitzer picked Paterson to be his Lieutenant Governor, effectively setting them up for a double disaster.

If those waters calm, Spitzer's odds are at least non-zero, but there's no way I'll consider supporting him again.  I might vote against his opponent, but I wouldn't vote for Spitzer or work for Spitzer.

This November will be lunatic.  I'm extremely grateful we have no local Dryden races this year - the first time since 2004.  The rest will be absurdly complicated enough.

Heck, if David "Diapers" Vitter can remain in the Senate (0.00 / 0)
why shouldn't Spitzer think he has a shot too.  
Yeah, but (4.00 / 1)
Yeah, but in Louisiana there's a much more lenient standard: the famous "live boy or dead girl" benchmark.
[ Parent ]
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