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Gillibrand explains her vote

by: devtob

Sat May 26, 2007 at 22:23:27 PM EDT


(I saw this earlier at DailyKos and I was hoping that devtob would crosspost it here. I think one of the commenters on that post said it best when he said:
Gillbrand is a good Rep. But she was dead wrong on this vote. Her explanation rings hollow, as do they all. A shameful episode for her and all other Democrats who voted for it.
Sounds about right to me. That said, I am genuinely curious to know what YOU think. - promoted by lipris
)

Kirsten Gillibrand, NY-20, called her vote for the Iraq War supplemental the "hardest vote" of her first five months in office in an appearance before more than 100 activists, most associated with Citizen Action of New York, Friday night.

Weeks ago, Citizen Action scheduled a barbecue at Grafton Lakes State Park for Gillibrand to report to the progressive group that did a great deal to help elect her.

Little did they, or she, know that the barbecue would happen a day after her most controversial vote, at least for her progressive supporters.

devtob :: Gillibrand explains her vote
In a pavillion where every post had a Citizen Action poster stating "U.S. Out Of Iraq," I expected Gillibrand would have a hot time on a hot night. But it did not happen.

Gillibrand explained that, as a member of the Armed Services Committee, she was concerned that, should a supplemental be vetoed again, the troops in the field would indeed suffer.

She added that the supplemental did have 18 benchmarks that improved accountability, and a short leash, funding just until September.

"I know the American public are losing patience with the war, but we need some Republicans to move to be able to make a difference on the war," she said.

And Gillibrand noted that she had voted for three anti-war bills, the McGovern amendment for withdrawal beginning in 90 days, and two amendments to prevent Bush/Cheney from launching another war with Iran. All three amendments failed, and, of course, would have been vetoed had they passed.

After her talk, none of the questions dealt directly with the supplemental vote, though a vast majority of attendees must have been disappointed.

Gillibrand responded to questions on the federal budget, health care (Medicare for all), campaign finance reform, immigration (does not support the Senate bill, favors allowing illegals here to apply for "a proper visa, with an employer sponsor"), the Iraq oil bill ("disgraceful and dangerous"), and agricultural issues (she's on that committee, a MyDD diarist commends her work there).

I asked one prominent anti-war activist, Joe Seeman, a regional coordinator for MoveOn.org, why Gillibrand did not have a tougher time with this progressive audience over her supplemental vote.

"People like a lot of things she does, and appreciate her honesty," Seeman replied.

Her support of the supplemental was, Seeman said, "a terrible error. The only effective way to protect the troops is to bring them home."

But Seeman decided to tell Gillibrand that in private, "out of respect for her and for Citizen Action -- this was not a 'beat up your Congressmember' event."

On the way to the car, Gillibrand said she was "very grateful" for the reception she received.

"I knew people would be disappointed, and I appreciate the opportunity to explain why I voted how I did," she said.

In voting for the supplemental, Gillibrand was in at least one Democratic majority -- 20 of 33 Democratic Armed Services members voted yes.

As anti-war, pro-troops hero John Murtha, who also voted for the supplemental, puts it in the Huffington Post:

While we don't have the votes right now to change the president's policy, I believe that come September we will have the votes from both Democrats and Republicans to change policy and direction.

I too am disapointed by Gillibrand's vote, but after hearing her, I've decided that maybe she and Murtha know more than I about how Bush would have used a second veto not just for partisan advantage, but also to make life even more difficult for our troops in Iraq.

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Gillibrand is a great Member of Congress, though she may disappoint once in a blue moon.

But she had a plausible reason this time -- she, and the vast majority of her Democratic fellows on the Armed Services Committee, voted for the supplemental in part because they believed that Bush/Cheney/Rove would make the troops suffer needlessly in the event of a second veto. 


She disappoints ALL the time (0.00 / 0)
First thing she joins the Blue Dogs and that group guts the first funding bill of any meaningful sanctions.  Then she lies to her supporters and votes FOR a BLANK CHECK for Bush.

Gillibrand was voted into office by a slim margin with the support of anti-war democrats..  she won't have that support next time.  and she won't be picking up any repug voter..  so enjoy your one term congressional career.


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That Makes No Sense (0.00 / 0)
So Gillibrand says that too many Republicans are against her position, therefore she must give them everything they want minus Katrina money and a minimum wage increase?

Since when does surrender change an opponent's mind?  Gillibrand does not realize that she has just rewarded Bush for taking our soldiers hostage to his neocon agenda.  When opposition to the war melts like butter in the sun whenever the neocons are hiding behind the troops then there will never be a reason for Bush to compromise. 

The Bushies respect strength.  They despise weakness.  Come September, Bush will bounce Gillibrand and her buddies again.


This is the first time I've really been disappointed (4.00 / 1)
Gillibrand explained that, as a member of the Armed Services Committee, she was concerned that, should a supplemental be vetoed again, the troops in the field would indeed suffer.

Fine then.  Let that be on Bush.  If he vetoes it, HE'S the one cutting off funding.

I was disappointed in this vote... not just with how Gillibrand voted, but with how many Dems voted. We need to hold our fucking ground and make the President and the Repubs take the heat on this. 


That's not the way it's being portrayed (0.00 / 0)
Let that be on Bush.  If he vetoes it, HE'S the one cutting off funding.

The Congressional Dems made that argument. It didn't have much traction. They should keep making it. But let's acknowledge that we need to do more to give our Reps the cover they need to do the right thing.


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Count me among the ones (4.00 / 1)
who thinks we need to be doing more to push New York's Congressional delegation on this.

AFSCME pushes bogus minimum wage vote by Gillibrand.... (0.00 / 0)
....as a way to put positive spin on her war funding vote.  But what that tv commercial doesnt say is... NYS minimum wage is $7.15.  The bill Gillibrand voted for as part of her pro war funding vote raises the Federal Minimum wage to $5.85 - Summer of 2007  $6.55 - Summer of 2008  and finally $7.25 - Summer of 2009 

All just BS to help Gillibrand hide from her war funding vote...


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