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Teabaggers, Dick Morris target "traitor" Scott Murphy

by: devtob

Fri Mar 26, 2010 at 20:30:52 PM EDT


Rep. Scott Murphy, NY-20, won his seat in a March 2009 special election by a mere 700 votes, and has always been a top 2010 target for the National Republican Congressional Committee.

After voting to support the HCR bills that passed this week, Murphy has now been called a "traitor" by Republican pundit/profiteer Dick Morris, and will have local teabaggers hitting the doors tomorrow with a strong anti-Murphy message.

Morris' "traitor" slur has nothing to do with giving aid and comfort to enemies. It's about Murphy, and some other House Democrats, voting no on the first House HCR bill, then voting yes on the final package.

And the teabaggers, like the conservative Republican activists they are, would be out knocking on doors no matter how Murphy voted on anything -- because he's a Democrat and they are angry Republicans.

Details, below.

devtob :: Teabaggers, Dick Morris target "traitor" Scott Murphy
Morris' "traitor" column, which is posted at Newsmax, is full of lies and overheated rhetoric about HCR.

But it's not at all clear who Murphy et al. "betrayed," other than conservatives like Morris.

The real point of Morris' column is the link to an anti-Democrats PAC, the League of American Voters, which will allegedly "bring the voters in their districts the full story."

Of course, what it will do, first of all, is enrich Morris and the other Republican hacks involved in yet another GOP astroturf operation.

The local teabaggers will have more impact in NY-20 than this obscure D.C. outfit, because they will be talking to and identifying voters in NY-20.

Starting tomorrow.

Local John Birch Society/tea party organizer Kevin McCashion put out the call on teabagger sites today, here's a taste:

Talk the Talk? Now Walk the Walk.

Everyone re-energized by Murphy's support for the Stamp Act of our time, can join us in our first neighborhood walk in the 20th Congressional District this Saturday, March 27th.

We will be delivering the attached door hangers to highlight his votes and the cost per household. ...  Be prepared to take the names, phone numbers, and email addresses of potential supporters and recruits.

Neighborhood canvassing of this sort is essential to expose voters to Murphy's misbehavior and for the growth of the movement, it is of the utmost importance. ...  Let it not be said that our Republic died because we were lazy or embarrassed.

Give the locals some credit, they say Murphy has been misbehaving, not traitorous.

McCashion neglects to mention that the teabaggers have a candidate in the NY-20 race -- Patrick Ziegler -- a conservative Republican, natch. No doubt he will mention it to whoever shows up tomorrow.

The door-hanger, at right, is sourced to a website that does not exist, but is clearly Bircher in its anti-government message and report card format.

On the front, it calls on governments to "do not disturb my life, liberty and property," and exhorts readers to "keep what is rightfully yours."

On the back, there is a Bircher report card, showing that Murphy voted for "higher taxes and more government" on the cap and trade bill, a bill to increase the debt limit (and keep the federal government going), and a transportation/HUD appropriations bill.

Not exactly hot-button issues now, but I'm sure the teabaggers will have an anti-Murphy HCR harangue ready for anyone unfortunate enough to be home.

Just as Morris is not completely honest with his readers, so McCashion does not mention Ziegler, who is in the midst of trying to get town and county Republican committee support to challenge Murphy.

It's not going well for Ziegler; the Republican establishment has lined up behind Chris Gibson, a recent Army officer retiree from Columbia County who is apparently just as right-wing as Ziegler.

Ziegler has picked up two counties (Warren and Essex) in the 10-county district, but he is unlikely to get any more. He can primary Gibson, but some press reports indicate that he won't.

So a major issue for Gibson will be whether he will get motivated teabagger support for the general, after beating a teabagger candidate.

A week ago, Ziegler's wife (also an active teabagger) was excited about him winning a county, and clearly not very happy with Gibson:

Patrick is in this race BIGTIME!!!

We need all hands on deck. The grassroots can actually get a liberty minded, consititutional candidate elected to Congress right here in the 20th.

We are up against a huge machine and well connected political organization. This is going to be truly a grassroots campaign as we are building mommentum and Patrick is getting out the message that voters have been waiting for.

Please visit the website, donate, volunteer, do whatever you can. This is a team effort and guys we can really do this if we have an army of citizens behind us.

Mrs. Ziegler will be disappointed, but better (for her and her family) sooner than later, because there is no way that a no-name with no money like Ziegler could ever beat Murphy.

The party bosses clearly believe that Gibson has a better chance of winning, though he is essentially a no-name with no money too.

The party bosses have also taken the measure of the teabaggers. They know that the teabaggers are all conservative Republicans who will vote for, and some will work for, whoever is the GOP candidate against Murphy.

And the bosses know that there are only a few score really active teabaggers in the district -- nowhere near enough to carry a teabagger candidate to victory against a well-funded, savvy incumbent.

Finally, there's Charlie Cook. His operation follows electoral politics closely, and has rated NY-20 as Likely Dem, despite its large Republican registration advantage.

Cook has evidently also discounted the teabaggers as few and already Republican, and therefore unlikely to make much of a difference, at least in NY-20.

But give the teabaggers their due, a few dozen of them will be out at the doors tomorrow dissing Murphy, while NY-20 Democratic activists will be watching basketball, doing spring cleaning, shopping, reading blogs, etc.

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Stop saying "teabaggers" (4.00 / 3)
It doesn't help.

How many times do I have to tell you this?

Yes, your story is good.

But you'll never, ever change anybody's mind.

What do you think of those people that called Congressman Frank a "faggot"?

Guess what I have to think of you, no matter how good your reporting is?

Cut it out.

Please.


agreed - pointless insult (4.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
So, tea partiers (4.00 / 1)
call Democrats traitors, socialists, Communists, Nazis, jihadis, etc., and my calling them teabaggers is a big problem for you.

You seem to believe that there is some common ground between the Paul/Bircher/Beck right-fringe and basic Democrats.

And if we're just nicer to them, they will stop their rhetorical and real violence.

Well, I don't believe that at all.


[ Parent ]
I just think you're wasting your time (4.00 / 1)
and making us look bad to the folks in the middle.

I don't think there's any common ground, but why make the folks between here and there think we're jerks?  Why create the opportunity for false equivalence?


[ Parent ]
Folks in the middle don't (0.00 / 0)
read sites like this.

Alas.


[ Parent ]
They don't read sites like this... (0.00 / 0)
...because when they stop by to visit the first time, they see the word "teabagger" in bold type at the top of the page and determine (accurately, btw) that we're just as bad as they are!

I categorize the comment I'm replying to in the "self-fulfilling prophecy" category.


[ Parent ]
Two Wrongs Don't Make A Right (0.00 / 0)
Recommended reading from "All The Things I Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten"

Lookit, I've spoken with Ziegler.  I made the mistake of saying that if he talked about issues he hadn't thoroughly researched all sides on (global warming, btw, he refuses to see "An Inconvenient Truth") then he would, and I quote myself, "end up looking like an asshole."

He misconstrued this as me saying he actually was an asshole and the conversation never, ever recovered.

You can believe what you want to believe.  Belief is not based on factual reality.  Just like the Tea Drinkers (suggested frame instead of testicle-in-the-face based "teabagger" derogatory frame) choose not to believe in Global Warming.

And no, I don't "believe" that there is common ground between the right and the left.

I know it for a fact because I've been speaking with both sides at length and the common ground is quite simply undeniable when you first get past your own addiction to your own political ego.

Continue your disrespect towards them and they will continue their disrespect towards you.

Change your ways and show respect to your perceived "enemies" and you've just stopped trying to put out fire with fire.

Just try it sometimes.  You'll see for yourself.


[ Parent ]
I Was Told (4.00 / 1)
The same thing by a member of the Tea Party on the SI Advance Political Blog.  I also don't find anything wrong calling them teabaggers since many of them are running around with teabags on their hats and clothes.  Tea Party is the name of their so called organization so it stands to reason that a member of this group would be a Teabagger.  Keep up the good work.

[ Parent ]
Ahem... (0.00 / 0)
Need I remind you and everyone else here that it was the Tea Partiers THEMSELVES who called themselves teabaggers first?

Not my fault that the term got whipsawed on them.


[ Parent ]
I don't understand (4.00 / 1)
Why are you guy's so upset at someone using the term teabaggers?
The tea party is not a real political party nor is it a real political movement.  What it is a name given to a loose collection of fringe far right republicans combined with aging John Birchers, libertarians who have been misled and an assortment of tin foil hat types.  
They are pretty much a creation of the media and really more dangerous to the republicans than they are to us.
Comparing calling these people teabaggers to people callin Rep. Barney Frank a faggot are I think a little over the top.  

Come. On. (0.00 / 0)
"Teabagging" is even more sexually derogatory than "faggot" for goodness sake!

It's a term that refers to shoving your balls into somebody's face for crying out loud!

And it's born of the same lack of respect and lack of civility that poisons our politics from BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.

See above comment...this is Kindergarten stuff.  If we keep this up, how are we ever going to move our political discourse to a more collegiate level?????????

It starts with you.


[ Parent ]
These conservatives are giving good old fashioned "Teabagger's" a bad name! (4.00 / 1)
These conservatives are giving good old fashioned "Teabagger's" a bad name! It used to have such a warm, fuzzy connotation.  /snark

But seriously, why do republicans have to ruin the fun for everyone all the freakin time?  What's up with that?


[ Parent ]
Hmmm. Dick Morris. (4.00 / 2)
Isn't he the one who got in trouble for sucking the toes of a prostitute?

Oh, that's right, it was. Next?


I think Murphy can thread the needle. (4.00 / 4)
Murphy's reason for voting against the House HCR was that it taxed paper mills and medical equipment makers, the 2 biggest industries in his district.

The Senate bill reduced the amount of taxes and put off taxing the paper mills for 3-4 years, enough time to shift this tax burden elsewhere.  So his no/yes vote is easily explainable.

The tea partiers will be motivated -- when I was at Murphy's town hall meeting in Petersburgh one may threated to quit his law practice and work full time against Murphy if he voted for HCR.  Whether that guy makes good his threat remains to be seen.

Murphy's not running against Tedisco, who would be a threat, but some no-name extremists who won't do well south of Rensselaer County.

And while votes in the northern part of his district need to be taken seriously, his vote FOR HRC will open the pockets of liberals, so he should have the funds he needs to run.

Our job is to remind Democrat NY-20 voters how important it is to hold NY-20 for the Democrats.

(BTW - I think that picture is from the Town Meeting in East Sand Lake.)

HylasBrook


Recommended (4.00 / 1)
This comment not only made good, sound points regarding to the actual reporting in the diary (which was very, very good!) but it did so without repeating the low-level of speech contained therein.

Keep up the good work!


[ Parent ]
Here is the problem with that. I talked to Murphy in August. (0.00 / 0)
He had a Venture Capital business; employed a small number of people even if a lot of money was made.  

He supported HSAs.  HCR does not advance the use of HSAs.  

His business used a Professional Empoyee Organization, a kind of Multi-Employer Welfare Arrangement, to get big company group discounts, very much like Rep. Paul Ryan's "Association Plan" idea.  HCR does nothing to advance this idea; it uses the Exchanges.  

Murphy talked about problems he and his familiy were having with the Federal Employee Health Benefit Program ("FEHBP").  Well, one of the templates for the Exchanges under HCR is . . . FEHBP.

Murphy looks either indecisive, bad move in a race with a former Airborne Colonel, or calculating, a bad move this year.        


[ Parent ]
any chance (4.00 / 1)
that the Conservatives will nominate someone other than the Republican nominee? That would be sweet.

Not very likely, (0.00 / 0)
though Gibson's views on the social issues so dear to the Conservatives are unknown.

Presumably, Gibson will do what he has to do to get the Conservative nod.

Generally, the Conservatives will only run a candidate on their line alone if they're convinced that the Republican candidate could not win with the Conservative line.

For the Conservatives, all that really matters is getting as much patronage from the Republicans as possible.

So they will generally support Republican candidates who have a decent chance of winning.

In this instance, they will go for Gibson.  


[ Parent ]
Let me share an insight with you: Infantry Colonels, even ones with (0.00 / 0)
three advanced degrees from Cornell who were Distinguished Honors Grad from their C&GSC class AREN"T social liberals. They probably do have well reasoned positions, but its damned unlikely they will be overly liberal.  

[ Parent ]
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