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Thoughts on a 46th SD primary

by: Dan Jacoby

Fri May 07, 2010 at 19:17:10 PM EDT


I don't know Neil Breslin, or either of his Democratic opponents.  I've never had any contact with any of them.  I don't know their history, activities, or positions on issues.  This comment is in no way personal.

The 46th SD has about a 2-1 Democratic advantage, so it's pretty certain that whoever emerges from the Democratic primary will be elected in November.  Since it is a fairly safe Democratic seat, the only chance any voters have to cast a meaningful ballot will be in the Democratic primary.

I'm a big believer in what I was brought up to believe -- that the reason we have elections in America is so that our elected officials can be held to account for their actions from time to time.  Unfortunately, most of our "elections" are a sham -- as often as not, there is only one candidate on the ballot, or at least only one candidate with any chance of winning.  The result is that our elected officials are, with very few exceptions, never held to account.

As a result of this belief, I support any election where voters get a real choice.

There are those who say that by mounting a primary challenge to a Democratic incumbent those challengers are diverting funds that could be used elsewhere to defeat Republicans (or hold on to seats where Republicans are challenging Democratic incumbents).  This is a shortsighted, narrow view.

It is shortsighted because in the long run healthy primary challenges only strengthen the party by getting more people involved, creating a real debate on issues, and causing the best candidates to rise to the top.  What could be a better way to defeat Republicans than by having the best candidates, battle-tested, and solid on the issues?

It is narrow because it discourages participation, not only as candidates, but also as supporters -- and as voters.  By discouraging participation, the Party only loses voters over time.

(Note:  All of the previous five paragraphs could easily be said of Republicans as well as Democrats.)

So I applaud Messers. Martland and Carney for getting involved.  I don't know who I'd prefer to see on the ballot in November, but I do know that the primary will almost certainly be good for the district, the Democratic Party, and the state of New York.

Furthermore, I'd like to see more primaries of Democratic incumbents, and not just in safe Democratic districts.  In the short run, a primary in, say, the 48th SD might result in the loss of that seat to a Republican in November.  But in the long run it would help build a Democratic base in that area.  Similarly, a Democratic primary in the 40th or 41st SD will have a beneficial long-term effect.

Does this mean that primaries are always good in the long run?  Of course not.  A nasty primary, where half-truths are flung about and the vast majority of the campaigning is negative, doesn't help anyone.  If party leaders had a clue how to build the party, however, they would be very quick to step in whenever a primary contest begins to devolve into such a pissing match.

And that's the key -- we need party leaders who encourage, not discourage, primaries, but also draw the line at nastiness and negativity.  If party leaders encouraged challengers even to sitting Democrats under those circumstances, we'd see a stronger Democratic Party very, very soon.

Well ... I can dream, can't I?

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Yup... complete agreement (4.00 / 5)
Primaries are good for the party, good for democracy and good for the country. I know and like Neil Breslin but I have no problem with him being primaried. It is good democracy in action. And who knows... one of these guys might be better!

I think the only thing I'd add is something hard to quantify but I think there are times when the money aspect of a primary is a negative factor. We just missed witnessing a prime example with the feckless Harold Ford. Had he stayed in the race it would have been great entertainment but it would have been incredibly expensive entertainment with no positive value in return.

Had a really great candidate decided to primary Kirsten then as much as I love Kirsten and would have supported her completely I would have supported the idea of a primary. It would have been great to see a solid debate of the issues played out on the national stage by two worthy candidates.

But Harold Ford would have been nothing more than an incredibly expensive waste of oxygen and money.

Peace,

Andrew


Breslin is about as progressive a Dem as is electable in Albany County IMO (0.00 / 0)
with the possible exception of Phil Steck, though I don't know Martland or Carney.

I don't have a problem with primaries, agree that in general they are good for democracy.  
But this year the OVERWHELMING priority in NYS is to elect a state Senate that will eliminate the radically antidemocratic (small d) repug gerrymander of the NYS Senate, which has enabled a 40% minority of the voters to have veto power on state legislation for almost my entire adult life.



[ Parent ]
Phil Steck is NOT (4.00 / 1)
a good candidate for any office. His personal failings remove him from consideration.

I don't know Martland or Carney either but have heard nothing but good about them. I worry that they may get sucked in by the less than savory anti-Breslin elements in the Albany County party though and hope they both realize that the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend if you are a progressive reform-minded candidate.

Peace,

Andrew


[ Parent ]
primaries are sometimes beneficial, but not always... (4.00 / 1)
...to my way of thinking, primaries can sometimes be helpful, in terms of stimulating interest by a party's members, getting them engaged and excited...as long as such primaries are conducted on a civil level. When there are more than two candidates is when they seem to be most helpful, especially when party leaders to their job and get all participants to agree to support the eventual nominee.

However, when primaries get nasty and personal, especially in two-way races, which often happens when one or the other candidate begins to feel...desperation...setting in...it can create a permanent schism within a party's electorate, virtually eliminating any possibility of one candidate getting the other candidate's supporters to get out and vote for them in the fall.

To say that primaries are always beneficial...sounds like too broad of a generalization to me.

The more choices, they better, yes...as long as those seeking a party's nomination act in the best interest of the eventual nominee, whomever that may be.


[ Parent ]
My only issue with primaries in this state (4.00 / 1)
are that the primary election date is too late in the year.  Otherwise, I'd be much happier with them.  If the primary were to be moved up to July or early August, it would in general be a much better thing.  The problem with them now is that, in the case of a tough primary (which we'd like to see), the time between that vote and the general does not allow much time for raising campaign funds, and allowing the emotions to fade.  

Blame Nelson Rockefeller (4.00 / 1)
The primary used to be in June.  In December of 1973 Rockefeller resigned as Governor to spend more time on his new organization -- the "Commission on Critical Choices for Americans."  His Lieutenant Governor was Malcolm Wilson, and Rockefeller wanted Wilson to have as much time as possible  as an incumbent before having to face a possible primary challenge, so he moved the primary from June to September before leaving office.

It didn't work too well -- 1974 was a Democratic landslide year, and Hugh Carey  won the election.

A June primary wouldn't be a bad idea.  July and August don't work too well, as those are the largest vacation months, so turnout would be even lower than it is now.


[ Parent ]
Primaries and Democracy (0.00 / 0)
Consider an even worse case--the one party state.  In Ramapo a bloc of perhaps 8,000 votes controls the town and easily wins any Democratic primary.  As a result all of NYS parties have thrown in the towel and support our supervisor despite the terrible things he is doing to us!

Robert I. Rhodes, Chairman, PreserveRamapo.org


Excellent Thoughts! (0.00 / 0)
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the race, Dan.  The points contained in the diary are both interesting and accurate.

What pleases me most about the primary in this cycle is that the press is actually covering the happenings of the primary.  This is the only point that I'd add to yours: that we cannot have accountable politicians until we first have an accountable press.  If the public doesn't know anything about the candidates (indeed, if they aren't even told there is a race, as was the case two years ago) then on what basis do the voters make their decision?

It's looking like this year, voters will be informed because the number of stories so far this year has already dwarfed the total count of the last challenge.  So the voters have already won because the media is finally reporting on Breslin's challengers.  This also encourages particiaption and an increase in the Party base.  And it increases the incumbent's accountability.

Because win or lose, the really big difference between this year and 2008 is Breslin is going to have to work to win the nomination which would make Sen. Breslin more accountable, even if that's not my personal desired outcome.  But it's better than nothing, and it's a hell of a lot of fun to blog about :-)

Dream on!


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