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SD-38: State Parks close as Morahan push polls privatization

by: cliffweathers

Mon May 17, 2010 at 11:45:50 AM EDT


This is one of the saddest days in New York history. The State is closing 41 parks and 14 historic sites as a result of the ongoing budget crisis. These sites include the scenic Tallman Mountain State Park swimming pool and the iconic Stony Point Battlefield in Rockland County.

With the State Budget being held hostage by the dysfunctional State legislature, Governor Paterson's draconian recommendations have kicked in and, once again, New York families and communities are the loser.

But the Republicans might have an idea, it seems. On the eve of the park closings, in a mailing from State Senator Thomas Morahan, there is a push poll asking constituents if we should privatize our parks. Read on, I'm not making this up.

cliffweathers :: SD-38: State Parks close as Morahan push polls privatization
The mailer contains the "2010 Legislative Questionnaire." This is a one-sided survey as it has very limited questions with an even more limited range of answers, that range from fiscally moderate to ultra-conservative. The possible range of responses pushes respondents to right-of-center conclusions. There's no room for a progressive answer anywhere in the questionnaire.

More to the point, question #4 asks:


Which of the following aspects of government should be privatized? (check all that apply)

Highway and roadway maintenance
Corrections
Parks and Recreation
Health care
Transportation
Education

But beware, this isn't a legitimate survey. It's a politician playing craps with public opinion using a pair of loaded dice. This is an attempt by New York State Republicans to push through an agenda by attempting to change public perception.

This recent push poll is not unlike others. It is a underhanded political technique where Senator Morahan is trying to sway public sentiment and opinion by bringing certain issues to the forefront. There is very little science behind this polling process. And while a large number of people are contacted, little or no effort will be made to collect or analyze their responses. I know from experience that analyzing polls is very cost prohibitive and Senator Morahan's office does not have the time, nor the resources to analyze the data. So this survey cannot possibly provide an accurate gauge of the pulse of the 38th State Senate district. It's no wonder that push polling has been condemned by good-government groups and even the American Association of Political Consultants. And in New Hampshire, push polling is downright illegal.

Closing our public parks is just plain wrong. The Stony Point Battlefield is critically important to the economy of the Town of Stony Point as visitors to the site often spend money at the town's shops during their visit. The Tallman Mountain pool is the only public pool in the entire town of Orangetown. They are now gone; they may never come back.

Worse than closing the parks is entertaining the cynical idea that they should now be privatized. And trying to push public opinion to this conclusion using taxpayer money is unethical to say the least.

There's a sad irony to all of this: Mailings from our State legislature cost taxpayers $27.3 million per year and they are nothing more than incumbency insurance, or political campaigning paid for by our tax dollars. That amount is roughly the same as the $29 million that has been cut from our State Parks, resulting in today's closings. So shouldn't there be a question on Senator Morahan's survey asking if we should do away with legislative mailings?

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privatization (4.00 / 1)
I don't think it's fair to classify privatization of parks as a Republican idea.  It was originally proposed by Paterson a few months back. Even though he's out of touch with many Democratic values, this does make it an idea put forth by the individual who is technically the top Democrat in the state.  

Hasn't privatization already started? (0.00 / 0)
Citibank pledges $100,000 to save LI's state parks

Sure, it's privatization by proxy, but here comes the inequality everyone feared: special help for the well-connected, but no help for places like Chittenango Falls or Oquaga Creek or any of the other "insignificant" parks on which small towns rely.


"Rely" how? Surely not to critically important to the economy of the Town?" (0.00 / 0)
If groups of people want to have local parks, they ought to establish them through not-for-profit entities.  How do you take money away from police and fire departments and plowing roads to cut grass in parks?  

What part of "There's no such thing as a free lunch," can't you understand?    


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Privatization as a whole... (4.00 / 1)
...is a conservative idea and the far right has made privatizing parks a talking point for more than 15 years. There even have been attempts to accomplish a public/private park structure at Knox Farm during the Pataki administration and it was a failure. Much of the park was dedicated to the private polo club and the public didn't have access to it. Many polo club members found the location of their club in a public setting to be a bit plebeian and moved out to greener pastures at another club. And this public/private hybrid didn't keep Knox Farm from the chopping block. It is one of the State Parks to close today.


Which is why itshould have been fully private, if there was any (0.00 / 0)
demand for it in the first place.  Polo is not to big overall.  

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If "[t]he Stony Point Battlefield is critically important (0.00 / 0)
to the economy of the Town of Stony Point,"  why would the Park NOT continue to exist?  There would clearly be a profit to be made.  It draws visitors willing to pay to see it.

Would it not be better for Stony Point if this site were run efficiently as a business, instead of inefficiently as the State tends to run its endevors?

Free men.  Free Markets.  Free Pulpits.  They built this country and they are what will save it.  


For one thing (0.00 / 0)
Parks are run fairly efficiently.  Which, if you had actually worked at any of them, you'd know.  I have.  

There have been privatization efforts or privatization of various state parks in other states.  It's been a disaster.  You see the biggest problem is that there is no incentive on the part of a private organization to invest in the park itself.  So facilities deteriorate pretty rapidly.

Finally, the reality is that only a select few parks or facilities would be "desirable" to a private enterprise.  I'm sure Bethpage's PGA championship caliber golf course would be one, but a facility like Thatcher Park wouldn't.  In other words, the facilities which already make money for the state are exactly the ones that a private business would be interested in.  


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And the ones that make money are the ones that should be open. (0.00 / 0)
"There is no such thing as a free lunch."  If there is enough interest, run it as a not-for-profit, as many parks were run in the 19th Century and some are today.    

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No businessman ever made a dime on "fairly efficiently." (0.00 / 0)
Things are going to get much tighter.  Government has to do less, tax less and spend less.  make your choices wisely.

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Quite frankly, baloney (4.00 / 1)
Your worship of private enterprise and its efficiency is not borne out by most people with experience in larger scale private enterprises.  I have worked for large corporations, and also been a consultant, and the amount of bureaucracy, ineptness, and just plain stupid is remarkable.  

Now, let me give you a bit of an education into how "inefficient" the government was at running a state park.  

You have a 200+ site campground, covering over 5 miles of road.  There may be over 1200 people in it at any time.  There's a water system that has to be run to state and federal standards for drinking water, sewage treatment, 12 bathroom facilities, and a garbage handling facility.  

Each day, the water and sewer systems have to be checked, and a series of tests run.  Garbage must be sorted, recyclables sorted and bagged, and properly disposed of.  Every bathroom must be cleaned.  Sites have to be cleaned, fireplaces emptied, and the ashes properly disposed of.  Grass has to be mowed.  The entrance booth has to be staffed for 13 hours a day, 7 days a week.  Oh, and to add in to all of that, you also have to rent canoes, do invasive species control, and any number of miscellaneous things that happened.  

How many people do you think you need to do all that?  I did it with a staff of six.  


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And in the private sector, you would do NONE of it, UNLESS and UNTIL (0.00 / 0)
you could do it efficiently enough to turn a PROFIT, usually with FAR more intrusive government regulators.

More importantly, why are my taxes funding a PARK in the first instance?

In hard times, you make hard choices.  


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Bullcrap (0.00 / 0)
You know something? Quite frankly, I've been in the private sector and the government sector.  I've seen far more inefficiency in private business than in government.  You ever wonder why Scott Adams is a very wealthy man?  It's not because he pointed out the foibles, inanity, and inefficiency of government.  Matter of fact, the park I mentioned?  Your tax dollars weren't paying for it.  It made money - as in a 45% profit.  Yes, it was a government park.  There is no way that a private business could have done it more efficiently.  How do I know that?  Because I've talked to people who run private campgrounds.  

Why are your taxes funding parks?  The same reason they always have.  There have always been lands "held in common."  If you want a straight-up business justification, it's that they provide a quality of life that many industries look for when they're searching for locations.  The public infrastructure they, and their employees can expect.  Since these lands are held in common - i.e.; by us, the people, we also are responsible for them.  Apparently you don't want the responsibility.  

That's OK.  I really don't want the responsibility to pay for your road maintenance, your water treatment facilities, your sewage treatment, garbage disposal, or police protection.  I'd much rather you paid for that out of your own pocket.  However, I recognize that those things are necessary to a society - and to business - so I have to pay taxes for them.  Just like parks.  


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