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'This American Life' visits the Albany teabaggers

by: devtob

Fri May 28, 2010 at 19:16:25 PM EDT


A few dozen teabaggers around Albany, NY, gather every Monday night for a Sons of Liberty meeting, that is usually part Paul/Bircher "education" and part "planning strategies to have maximum influence on issues of local and national concern."

Last Monday was unusual in two regards -- the teabaggers were "vetting" a Democratic candidate, and a producer from Ira Glass' "This American Life" was there.

The local alternative weekly, Metroland, also had a reporter there, and wrote a pretty good story about it, with one glaring error of omission.

Details, below.

devtob :: 'This American Life' visits the Albany teabaggers
Chet Hardin's story starts by recognizing that teabaggers are not "This American Life" fans:

Some surprising guests show up at the weekly meeting of the Capital Region's "liberty minded".

Kevin McCashion, one of the lead organizers of the Sons of Liberty, introduced the petite woman who was stalking the members with a microphone. "This is Lisa. She's from a well-known radio show, This American Life - it's sponsored by major corporations."

McCashion is the type who likes to get his digs in.

"No we're not," Lisa Pollak countered. "We do fundraisers."

"Is this a local radio show?" a woman asked.

The Sons of Liberty group, which came together after last year's Tea Party Tax Day rally, is not a natural audience for the successful radio program that airs locally on the liberal public-radio station WAMC.

McCashion, who is a Bircher organizer, had advised his people to "behave," and they did, somewhat, in their questioning of Luke Martland, who is challenging longtime state Sen. Neil Breslin in this year's Democratic primary.

McCashion, and other teabaggers, have tried to portray their movement as nonpartisan, though every candidate they work for or get excited about just happens to be a Republican.

Martland soon found out why:

Martland, for his part, said that he had no intention of swaying these Tea Party members, and that he wasn't seeking their endorsement. In fact, he said, he would refuse it if they offered it. So why did he turn out for a rowdy meeting of 30 presumably registered Republicans?

"I like to debate," he told Metroland. Plus, he said, he believes that all efforts ought to be made to overcome partisanship.

"What's your plan, other than platitudes?" McCashion asked him.

Martland said that he believes in term limits, and would term limit himself out of office. He also said that he would forgo any outside employment, making the Legislature his full-time interest. He would agitate for legislation that would call for full disclosure of outside income for legislators. He would support fair redistricting and ethics reform.

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"Boy, does that sound like the same thing that every politician says," a man interjected.

"I don't think that it's the same. Every politician says that they will cut waste, systematically, but nobody has done it," Martland said. "I would eliminate member items. I would look at agencies, boards, different bodies to streamline."

The crowd wasn't buying it.

No, they were not, as soon became obvious:

"I think that education is one of the most important mandates of the government," Martland said, actually drawing out shocked gasps from a crowd of people who would prefer that the Department of Education be dismantled.

"Is capitalism flawed in your view?" a woman asked.

"I think capitalism needs to be regulated," Martland said, pointing to the recent Wall Street turmoil.

Another member told Martland that the group would love to support a Democrat, "and an openly gay one at that," but that, from the 40 minutes that they had discussed the issues, they were starting to get the sense that he was a socialist. "So, are you a socialist?"

Martland, a Princeton-educated former Manhattan assistant district attorney, was a little taken aback. "I'm not a socialist."

He supported the bailouts, the Federal Reserve, welfare, social security, the health-care reform. "Government has a very important role protecting people."

"If you want to reduce government to a tiny little kernel, then I disagree with you," Martland said.

"Socialist!" the verdict was made.

"If you think that the Federal Reserve ought to be abolished," he said, "I think that's silly."

Well, abolishing the Federal Reserve is a major Paul/Bircher/teabagger issue, even though the New York State Senate cannot do anything about that.

After the meeting, Pollak interviewed Martland.

"Did anything surprise you tonight?" she asked.

"I don't get the Federal Reserve argument," he said, laughing.

"I can't imagine what you were expecting coming in," she said

"I was expecting this," Martland said.

Pollak was there as part of a future TAL hour that will explore whether  government can solve our problems, her bit will look into "the Tea Party in a way that is less superficial."

On-the-ground reporting about teabaggers is always enlightening, because it will validate the "superficial" reporting/blogging that has found that teabaggers are extremely conservative Republicans.

Hardin's report was lacking in that it did not once mention Ron Paul and the John Birch Society, whose radical anti-government ideology obviously inspires McCashion and his few followers, and many teabaggers across the country.

His description of the Sons of Liberty was also way incomplete:

The Sons of Liberty meet every Monday to complain about property taxes driven by the high costs of education and social-welfare programs, and the influence of unions on a bloating budget.

Lately, McCashion's cadre has been meeting to organize field work for local GOP candidates who meet their standard of wingnuttery.

And they hate ALL taxes, not just property taxes, and oppose most programs, from public education to Social Security, that taxes support.

Whatever, I'm glad that Chet Hardin and Lisa Pollak attended the weekly Paul/Bircher/teabagger meeting.

Because the more voters know about these people, the better.

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how this is reported on "This American Life."

And here is the problem with your argument: (0.00 / 1)
Education is an important issue for local government.  

It is not a federal issue; there is no enumerated power related to education.  A federal Department of Education is: 1) contrary to the concept that the federal government as one of limited powers, hence such a department is not Constitutionally legitimate; and 2) an attempt to centralize something that must respond to local needs and resources.

Unless we get the feds out of education, with their unrealistic, "ivory tower" mandates (usually unfunded or temporarily funded), it will remain a crushing burden on local communities through property taxes.  If you have ever been involved in contesting your assessment, you should understand the anger.  

This is especially true where the best research indicates that the most effective way for children to learn is through rote drills, a method that does not require teachers with Master's Degrees and the like.  (See, e.g., Ian Ayers, Super Crunchers, http://www.randomhouse.com/ban...

If you want to talk about the epitome of "wingnuttery," it is continuing to believe, 66 years after the publication of von Hayek's The Road to Serfdom, that centralized, one size-fits-all, bureaucratic solutions work.

As Peggy Noonan writes in today's Wall Street Journal:

But Republicans should beware, and even mute their mischief. We're in the middle of an actual disaster. When they win back the presidency, they'll probably get the big California earthquake. And they'll probably blow it. Because, ironically enough, of a hard core of truth within their own philosophy: When you ask a government far away in Washington to handle everything, it will handle nothing well.

The fact that Andy Cuomo feels compelled to run more as the philosophical son of Cris Christie than of Marion Cuomo, shows which ideas work and which . . . don't.
 


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"If you want to talk about the epitome of "wingnuttery," it is continuing to believe, 66 years after the publication of von Hayek's The Road to Serfdom,"

Oh man, that is way too funny.  One of these days I need to track down the 1944 version of that book, but even the later version I read of it a decade ago wasn't particularly convincing, unless you were already rabid.

Of course, Keynes liked it, but for some reason he and Hayek got along even though their intellectual descendants generally don't.

Perhaps that argument works better when you're preaching to the choir?


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The great lesson of Hayek is that centralized decision making (0.00 / 0)
consistently under-values local knowledge, leading to systematically poor judgments.    

I have never met anyone who had significant management responsibilities in a large organization (public or private) who did not agree that this was a major problem.

The Army, prior to the Iraq War, preached "centralized planning/decentralized execution."  Their current doctrine favors an even more bottom-up approach and "mission-type orders."  

Tom Peters talked about his "Tight/Loose" idea: develop a strong culture and articulate goals and allow people at the lowest level to effectuate those goals in the context of that culture.

As the current problems off-shore in the Gulf of Mexico indicate, trying to centralize EVERYTHING just mean that core missions suffer.              


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and decentralized decision-making can lead to chaos (4.00 / 1)
it's not a matter of loosening everything or centralizing everything - it's finding the right balance.  "Small parts, loosely joined" is great for software, for instance, but there are limits to how small and how loosely joined.  Government has too many similar issues.

The Tea Party folks seem intent on loosening every screw they can find, at every level of government.

There are a lot of frameworks for talking about where decisions should be made - federalism, subsidiarity, and the rate of return on complexity.  Unfortunately, people waving Hayek tend to already think they know where everyone should go.


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In a systemically over-centralized environment, most of it (0.00 / 0)
involves MUCH more loosening than tightening.  Jack Welsh learned that at GE and the Army learned that in Iraq.

The US has the same problems its Army had prior to Iraq and that Reg Jones's GE had prior to the advent of Welsh (although Peter Drucker's point that Jones was a greater manager than Welsh, because Jones saw that someone of Welsh's type and attitude was needed, where Welsh was less effective at picking a successor, is well taken).  

The answer is the same: a less centralized structure.


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The other thing the Liberty Movement seems to see, that others ignore, (0.00 / 0)
is that the Constitution creates a centarl theame around which to make de-centralized decisions, Peter's "Tight/Loose" concept.  

[ Parent ]
So say the people who favored segregated schools. (4.00 / 1)
They had a rather loose definition of "separate but equal," and they thought the federal government had no business integrating their schools.  What if Alabama wanted to re-segregate their schools?  Would you shrug and just say "oh well, states' rights" and all that?  When people decry "one-size-fits-all" solutions, that is exactly what they mean - that somehow Alabama students are different from New York students, black students are different from white students, and so on.  I don't know about you, but I'd rather not go back there.

Education is an issue of national interest.  Federal involvement in education prevents some states from descending into Third World levels of ignorance, and enhances our competitiveness in the global economy.  I suppose you're against that, too.


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In short. (4.00 / 1)
If you're looking for a Constitutional basis for the Department of Education, look no further than the Civil Rights Act of 1965, which is in turn supported by the 14th Amendment.

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