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Teabaggers vs. establishment Republicans in NY

by: devtob

Wed Jun 09, 2010 at 21:32:53 PM EDT


At the recent New York Republican convention in NYC, teabaggers succeeded in getting one of their own nominated for a hopeless challenge of Sen. Chuck Schumer, and in nothing else.

Because, in NY as most elsewhere, teabagger candidates will get the party nod only when there's no else interested. Despite a few outliers in slave/Mormon states, teabagger candidates who have lost in GOP primaries this year are legion.

NY teabaggers like Carl Paladino for governor; the convention did not, giving Paladino about 8 percent of the vote, well short of the 25 percent needed to make the primary ballot. Rick Lazio was the overwhelming convention favorite for the opportunity to lose in a landslide to Andrew Cuomo.

Paladino, a wealthy Buffalo developer, will press ahead, organizing and funding a statewide petition campaign to get on the Republican primary ballot that started today, and another statewide petition campaign to get a Tea Party independent line for November.

Many active teabaggers are also Republican activists (surprise!), and are being pressured by establishment Republicans not to carry Paladino petitions.

Good luck with that.

Details, below.

devtob :: Teabaggers vs. establishment Republicans in NY
Several teabaggers around Albany will be carrying Republican petitions over the next few weeks, for their simpatico sure-losers in Assembly and Congressional races, and for Paladino.

And there's the rub, according to some teabagger leaders.

Like Tom Chandler:

Now I find us collecting signatures for several candidates all endorsed by the same party, and they are under pressure to not have us carry petitions for people we vetted and approved, alongside their petitions.

Looks to me like we are being manipulated into gathering signatures for those approved by one party, and to shut out the outsiders they have not approved.

One party is pretty much taking us for granted, the other has written us off.

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To the party bosses holding their candidates we support hostage, I say:

Be thankful to us for helping those of your candidates we feel we can trust, to bad you did not send us more.. You are supposed to be working for and representing us, we came together to fire and replace people who can not do those jobs.

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I for one say help ALL the candidates you support, if you have to ask people to sign for Carl last so it can not be said you risked having a door slammed in your face before you could get the other petitions signed, do so. (I personally think that whole argument against Carl is a big steaming pile of crap from the outset.)

Chandler refuses to recognize that the "whole argument" against Paladino was supported by a whole lot of GOP convention delegates.

Nonetheless, NY teabaggers will be carrying petitions for Paladino, no matter what their county and/or town chairmen say.

Spyder, a town committeeman in Ballston, agrees with Chandler that teabaggers who carry petitions will do whatever they want (at the same link):

WE will decide who we will carry petitions for, and those people's petitions will be on the top of my stack, and if I feel like it, I might mention the other petitions I have at the bottom of my stack

In Ballston, my own petition is on the top of the stack. If I care to have any others signed, fine, but, mine gets signed first

In Guilderland and the hilltowns, Debbie's (Busch, a sure-loser GOP Assembly candidate) is on the top of the stack, if I care to have Paladino's signed too, fine, but, Debbie's gets signed FIRST

WE are in charge

WE make the rules

If they don't like our rules, they can find somebody else to play with

Obviously, teabaggers are not in charge of who the Republicans nominate.

Just as obviously, establishment Republicans are counting on the teabaggers to provide the kind of field support that many are doing right now, knocking on doors of registered Republicans and getting petition signatures.

But there is an essential conflict here, as everywhere, between the more active teabaggers who support the most conservative candidate possible, and the more sedate establishment Republicans who prefer to win elections, and benefit from the subsequent patronage, by supporting more moderate candidates.

Teabagger candidates are perceived as weaker for good reason -- far-right conservatives are about 20 percent of the electorate, and their extremism scares moderates in the middle.

They may win in Alabama or South Carolina, but they'll never win in NY.

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Paladino could win the GOP primary, (4.00 / 1)
since Lazio is so uninspiring, and Paladino has energized the Republican base, somewhat.

Good news for the Dems, either way.



Not really. Andrew Cuomo, a fair gauge of the way the winds blow, (0.00 / 0)
is running more like the son of Chris Christie than Marion Cuomo.

The simple truth is this: anyone running on a platform of government doing more and taxing more and regulating more, even in NYS, even if your last name is "Cuomo," will lose.

Free men, free markets and free pulpits.  Try anything else and these things are still the ones that work.  New York, like New Jersey last year, is about to turn its back on grasping public sector unions, high taxes and bloated government.  

It probably isn't Andrew Cuomo's ideological preference.  However, he is politically astute enough to know it is the only way to be elected in 2010.

My only question is: why aren't most people here seeing that?        


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Final Election Results.. (4.00 / 1)
Cuomo....65%
Lazio....31%
Paladino. 4%

ROFLMAO....


sweet... (4.00 / 2)
...it would be so sweet for "Little Ricky" Lazio to be the Republican nominee and fellow Republican Paladino to siphon off votes from him on an independent line in November.
It's a delight to see teabaggers using their venom on fellow Republicans. Hopefully...they will continue to purge the few remaining rational Republicans left in their party. Perhaps they might even get Orly Taitz the Republican nomination for President in 2012 (nothing would be finer).  

Paladino for Governor! (0.00 / 0)
If Paladino wins the Republican primary against Lazio, nothing would be sweeter. It leaves the distinct possibility that the Conservative Party would lose its ballot access in a Cuomo-D/I/(WF), Paladino-R/(Tea), Lazio-C race.  

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