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Farmworkers Bill Coming Back, but Even Weaker Than Before

by: BingChester

Wed Jun 16, 2010 at 14:29:44 PM EDT


When last we left the story of the farmworkers rights bill, the bipartisan piece of legislation was being killed by Senator Aubertine's Agriculture Committee after passing easily through the Labor Committee.  In his zest to protect upstate farmers, Senator Aubertine argued that it was ok to abuse the human rights of farmworkers in the name of profit margins of mega industrial farms (the only farms that the bill would actually apply to).  At that point, the media and advocates pronounced the bill dead.

Or was it?

Check out this interesting tidbit from Politics on the Hudson today:

Just when it looked like a controversial bill that would have given farmworkers added benefits and mandatory rest periods had finally been laid to rest, Sen. Pedro Espada, D-Bronx, has sponsored a piece of legislation that would require workers to have at least one day off per week and receive overtime pay after working 60 hours.

The bill is nearly identical to the Justice for Farmworkers Act, which has been passed by the Assembly each year for the past decade and defeated by the Senate, except for one major difference: some changed language in the bill would allow for it to go straight to the Senate Rules Committee instead of the Agriculture Committee, where it was defeated in April.

Great news!  The return of a bill that will protect workers rights of farm hands by guaranteeing such basic human rights as minimum wage and overtime pay.  Cheers to all!  But don't get too excited too fast.  I have a sneaking suspicion that all is not well with the march to justice for farmworkers.

The bill does not allow for farmworkers to collectively bargain as the Justice for Farmworkers Act would have, Espada said, but he said he thinks the farmworkers could win that right through the courts.

Bingo.

BingChester :: Farmworkers Bill Coming Back, but Even Weaker Than Before
You know Senator Espada, I'm not a labor lawyer (although that might not be the case after another year of law school).  But I do know a little bit about labor law in New York and the United States.  You see, the National Labor Relations Act (the Wagner Act) is the source of private sector labor rights in the United States and explicitly exempts agricultural workers from its jurisdiction.  That's why all agriculture labor rights emanate from the states.  So if you want agriculture workers to have the right to organize and collectively bargain, you have to give them that right .

Now sure, maybe you'd say that the courts could construe this new bill as allowing for organizing rights.  And if the New York State Labor Law was silent as to the question of agriculture workers rights to organize and collectively bargain, then that would be a permissible, albeit tenuous, interpretation.  Unfortunately, that's not the case.  The New York Labor Law explicitly exempts from organizing and collective bargaining:

any individuals employed as farm laborers

That's Article 20 Section 701 3(a) for those at home keeping track and it's specifically the exemption and definitions section of the state Labor Relations Act.  It's pretty darned unlikely that the courts will create organizing rights as Espada claims as a result (never say never, they could theoretically rule the whole provision a violation of the state constitution, but don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen).

Maybe I'm missing something here.  It's possible that someone misspoke or was misquoted.  After all, the above article said that there were only minor changes, while taking away organizing rights is a pretty major change.  But on the face of it, it looks like a deal has been cut to get this bill passed by sacrificing the rights of farm workers to organize and collectively bargain along with most other private sector workers.  So my question is this; if the farm lobby will fight this bill tooth and nail regardless of whether there are organizing and collective bargaining rights in the bill, and the purpose of this new bill is simply to bypass the Agriculture Committee, then why does the bill strip away the fundamental right to organize and collectively bargain from farm workers?  Whose vote is being bought off here?  

If you're going to throw workers rights down the drain, let's at least have some transparency so we know who to hold accountable.

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Gee-- (0.00 / 0)
This doesn't sound at all like the debate around this issue I have heard. Espada, not on the target for sure, but, you, too. In particular, your characterization of what Aubertine and the Ag Committee said is way off the mark.

There are real issues that need to be addressed, and there has been some progress made in bringing people together to address them in a way that can ultimately gain enough support to pass.  The way I have heard it, collective bargaining is not an impediment or a problem.  On the other hand, allowing the workers the flexibility to respond to weather/harvest window and some workers' preference to work many hours in some times of the year, in order to be able to afford to return to their home countries to see their families in other parts of the year, is an important issue that needs compromise work with the rigid-thinking faith-based non-farmworker self-appointed "advocates."

Espada is posturing.  He's not the only one doing that.


My language about Aubertine may be a little incendiary (0.00 / 0)
But I think in general that the argument that a bill to protect workers rights would put farmers or employers in general out of business is premised on the notion that we can excuse violation of workers rights in the name of profit margins.  If you can't both stay in business and give your workers a decent standard of life, there is something very wrong.

Your second point is very interesting.  I would find it very surprising if collective bargaining is less of the problem but that would be fantastic.  Collective bargaining allows for context-specific agreements and each farm could set specific terms with their workers.  That would be fantastic.  But normally collective bargaining leads to greater increases in working conditions than simple employment law protections like overtime pay after X hours or X days off per week.  

One thing I think we can both agree on; the way this has been brought back is very strange and quite fishy.


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yep. (0.00 / 0)
Anything connected to Pedro is strange and fishy.  And, I had thought that we were back at the table, trying to hash out something reasonable on this issue to introduce for next session.

If you can't both stay in business and give your workers a decent standard of life, there is something very wrong

True-- there is something wrong, and it is FEDERAL AGRICULTURE POLICY and NAFTA-- which has screwed both Mexican agricultural laborers (who used to be Mexican farmers before cheap US subsidized Industrial Corn put them out of business) and NYS farmers (many of whom are facing going out of business due to low milk prices).  The trouble here is that the real villains, big Agribusiness and the red state congressional "leaders" sold out to them, are not in reach to tap for cash or other solutions in a terrible situation that has been created by them, but for which they take no responsibility.


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Questions for Bing? (0.00 / 1)
Hey bingster, instead of hurling out more misinformation and unsubstantiated crapola produced by the egregious tax cheat Richard Witt why don't you adress some, just some of the questions and points I raised in your previous posting on this issue?

You don't have a friggen clue as to what you are talking about, not a clue, you are merely mouthing the musings of a clown that has no problem routinely spreading lies, distortions and misinformation regarding farmworkers, the laws associated with them and the enforcement of those laws.  You don't have a clue. Go back to your earlier repeated drivel and address some of the issues I raised, okay?


HV Biz Don't apply factory work rules to farmworkers (0.00 / 0)
http://www.westfaironline.com/...

There is a bill before the state Legislature titled "The Farmworkers Fair Labor Practices Act" (S. 2247-B; A. 1867-A). There is a great deal of misinformation surrounding this bill as well as the issue of agricultural labor. Allow me to address a few of these issues.

The primary proponent of this bill is a religious nonprofit organization called Rural and Migrant Ministry (RMM). The ministry acts as a self-appointed farmworker advocate organization because the overwhelming majority of farmworkers in New York state have neither elected nor chosen this organization or its designated leaders to represent them or speak on their behalf. Farmworkers do not attend their board or planning meetings and the handful that attend RMM's annual Albany lobby day event are paid by RMM to be there. These facts were admitted by RMM Executive Director Rev. Richard Witt during his sworn testimony before the state Lobby Commission in 2001.

RMM and its allies consistently claim that there are virtually no laws protecting farmworkers and they are "invisible" and ignored by society. The truth is there are roughly a dozen local, state and federal governmental agencies that enforce a plethora of laws that govern both the living and the working conditions of farmworkers in the state.

Some of these laws, like the federal Migrant and Seasonal Protection Act (MSPA) only apply to farmworkers. Farmworkers are one of if not the most protected work force in the state. New York farmworkers earn, on average, more than $10 an hour. Most also receive free housing and all that it entails, including heat, electric and utilities. Many receive free cable or satellite television. Farmworkers in the state also benefit from a number of governmentally funded social-service programs that, in many cases, only exist for their benefit, including their own free government-funded health clinics, free day-care centers for their children (now 14 throughout the state) free child and adult migrant education programs, as well as their own free government-funded law firm which works only in their behalf. How does a farmworker compare with an urban resident working on the same wage tier when it comes to protections and programs?

What we are talking about are five or six exemptions to state labor law. These exemptions, like the one for overtime pay, exist because of the production and marketing realities associated with farming. Farming does not take place in an enclosed building with a regulated environment. We have a limited time to plant and harvest. If overtime is enacted, farmers will have to cut hours during the growing season so as to afford the overtime at planting and harvest time which can't be avoided. This may mean fewer overall hours and take home pay for farmworkers. And farmers do not control the prices we receive and cannot pass on increased costs. We absorb it or go out of business. Because of pricing and weather disasters, much of New York's agriculture is reeling. In four of the past five years, my farm income was below the federal poverty line for a family of four. In 2009, my employees earned more than I did. Where would these self-appointed advocates and legislators who support them like the money to come from to pay for these mandates?

I have no problem defending each and every one of the exemptions within the real world context of agriculture's production and marketing realities. But I can't, because the self-appointed advocates' mantra is that these exemptions are "immoral" and "unjust." They state that "there can be no justification for this unequal treatment. Attempts at justification of this exclusion are offensive." Who assigned these organizations the authority to decide which exemptions are "just?" And many of these same exemptions that apply to farmworkers, like overtime pay, also apply to the employees of nonprofits and religious organizations. Yes, the very same organizations that are pointing their fingers at agriculture can legally "exclude" their own workers from receiving overtime. State legislative staffers also are exempt. Yes, the people who work for the people who want to end our exemption are exempt from overtime. The level of hypocrisy is astounding and they don't have a leg to stand on to play the "moral" card.

A number of farms in Orange County have switched from mono-cropping onions to growing a variety of vegetables. These farms supply the local farmers' markets and the green markets in New York City. To grow those vegetables they have had to rely on a much bigger labor force than needed for the more mechanized onion farming. End the overtime exemption and they will be unable to afford their labor bill. They will go back to mono-cropping onions, if they can continue to farm at all. New York state's unemployment and overtime exemptions for agriculture match the federal standard, making us competitive with neighboring states. If overtime is enacted you can kiss that local fresh produce goodbye as New York farmers will be unable to compete with New Jersey or Pennsylvania farmers who don't have to pay it. And many farmworkers will lose their jobs. That will be the real world consequences of this legislation.

The people who travel so far up the migrant labor stream, many year after year to the same farms, come here to work as many hours as possible to provide for themselves and their families back home. If the self-appointed advocates ever actually talked to farmworkers they would learn a common complaint is they aren't receiving enough hours versus working too many. No one forces a person to work on a farm. If someone wants the benefits associated with factory work, they are welcome to work in a factory. But to attempt to apply the rules associated with factory work to agriculture is foolish public policy. Enactment of this legislation will undoubtedly lead to less locally produced food for our markets and a severely impacted upstate economy that is already hurting considerably.

Christopher Pawelski is a fourth generation onion farmer in Orange County and is a member of the New York Farm Bureau's labor task force. He can be reached at evep@warwick.net.


More regulations bad for N.Y. farmworkers ATU (0.00 / 0)
More regulations bad for N.Y. farmworkers
http://www.timesunion.com/AspS...

By CHRIS PAWELSKI
First published: Wednesday, February 3, 2010

Miriam Pawel once again spreads misinformation and distortions regarding legislation proposed by the self-appointed farmworkers' advocates in her Jan. 29 commentary, "Same old politics hurts N.Y. farmworkers."
She asserts: "The Farm Bureau's argument is simple: These changes will cost too much. Agriculture is seasonal work, not comparable to any other industry ... . But the experience in California ... belies the Farm Bureau's doomsday scenarios."

Evidently, Pawel doesn't understand what "seasonal" means. California's growing season is far longer, essentially year round, than New York's. A strike at planting or harvest would destroy a farm in New York, unlike in California.

She argues that if farmers' claims that the bill's expensive mandates would kill agriculture were true, then "it is acceptable to exploit farmworkers and deny them basic protections afforded almost every other worker in New York."

More than a dozen federal, state and local agencies oversee dozens of laws and rules governing farmworkers' living and working conditions. This makes them probably the most protected work force in New York. The five or six exemptions Pawel talks about apply to some other workers as well, including employees of religious organizations and other non-profits driving this legislation.

Where is the concern for those "exploited" workers? The hypocrisy is astounding.

Pawel laments that "Farmworkers can be made to labor seven days a week, for as many hours as necessary, with no overtime, in back-breaking work. They need not receive unemployment when they are laid off, or be housed in shelter that meets safety standards. Because that would be bad for business."

The people who travel so far up the migrant labor stream, many year after year to the same farms, come here to work as many hours as possible to provide for themselves and their families. A common complaint is that they aren't getting enough hours.

New York's unemployment and overtime exemptions match the federal standard, making us competitive with neighboring states. I know of no other industry that provides free housing for its employees, except clergy.

Agricultural labor law is crafted within the context of agriculture's production and marketing realities. Farming does not take place in an enclosed building with a regulated environment. We have a limited time to plant and harvest.

Farmers do not control the prices we receive and cannot pass on increased costs. We absorb it or go out of business. And because of pricing and weather disasters, much of New York's agriculture is reeling. In four of the past five years, my farm income was below the federal poverty line for a family of four. In 2009, my employees earned more than I did.

Where would Pawel and others like the money to come from to pay for these mandates?

The New York Farm Bureau does not give large campaign contributions as Pawel intimates. In fact, one of the biggest contributors here is New York State United Teachers, a union that aggressively supports this legislation.

It's unlikely that elected officials have been motivated by the paltry amounts farmers contribute. They are more likely taking positions based on the merits of our arguments regarding this bill. We are pleased that more of them are seeing through the propaganda and misinformation, and understand just how harmful this legislation would be.

No one forces a person to work on a farm. If someone wants the benefits associated with factory work, they are welcome to work in a factory. But to attempt to apply the rules associated with factory work to agriculture is foolish, if not dangerous, public policy.

Enact these provisions and you will see less locally produced food in our markets and a severely impacted upstate economy.

Chris Pawelski is a fourth-generation onion farmer in Orange County and a member of the New York Farm Bureau's labor task force.


Where do people like you come from? (0.00 / 1)
Here are just some of your quotes bingster:

"Senator Aubertine argued that it was ok to abuse the human rights of farmworkers"

"If you're going to throw workers rights down the drain"

"But I think in general that the argument that a bill to protect workers rights would put farmers or employers in general out of business is premised on the notion that we can excuse violation of workers rights in the name of profit margins."

Tell me, how many farms have you visited across the state? How many farmers have you spoken with? How many genuine farmworkers have you spoken with, not the props that are paid by Witt and his crowd to participate in his lobbying theater like events? How many local, state and/or federal regulators have you spoken with that oversee the dozens upon of laws that oversee of laws that govern both the working and living conditions of farmworkers in NYS?

How did you come to the expansive knowledge you evidently have on this topic, especially if you have never stepped on a farm, spoken with a farmer or farmworker or regulator? How can you so easily assert that farmworkers in NYS routinely are "abused" have little to no rights that are thrown "down the drain" and whose rights are routinely "violated?" On what basis can you make these unsubstantiated, sweeping, scurrilous smears? Have you simply allowed yourself to be spoon fed by a single sided, biased source, a source that had no problem lying under oath when deposed by the Lobby Commission? Tell me, do you form all of your opinions and policy positions that way? Is this how you in general go through life?

If so, would you like to buy a bridge I have for sale in Brooklyn?

People like you deeply disturb me. You don't have a friggen clue as to what the facts are and you don't have a stake in this. You are messing with people's lives, a**hole. You are messing with my ability, my family's ability, my neighbors' ability, my friends ability, to do their jobs, to make a living and provide for their families. You are interjecting yourself into an issue and you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. Your arrogance, your hubris, is offensive, disturbing and appalling.  


Here's the deal ... (0.00 / 0)
Here's the deal, as I point out in my op-eds, a number of farms in Orange County have switched from mono-cropping onions to growing a variety of vegetables. These farms supply the local farmers' markets and the green markets in New York City. To grow those vegetables. they have had to rely on a much bigger labor force than needed for the more mechanized onion farming. End the overtime exemption and they will be unable to afford their labor bill. They will go back to mono-cropping onions, if they can continue to farm at all. You can kiss that local fresh produce goodbye as New York farmers will be unable to compete with New Jersey or Pennsylvania farmers who don't have to pay overtime. And many farmworkers will lose their jobs.

Prices will go up at the green markets in NYC and there will be significantly less fresh produce donated to the various food recovery programs by those farmers from NYC. So those NYC based legislators that are pandering to these hypocritical religious based organizations in regards to this legislation would greatly hurt their constituents if it ever passed.

Let me also point out, which you will read in my op-eds, 4 out of the past 5 seasons my farm income has been below the federal poverty line. Last year my employees earned more than me on my farm. Where do the proponents of this nonsense propose the money should come from to pay for these mandates, or the attempt to apply factory rules to things grown (not manufactured) outdoors?

Let me emphasize also once again, we are talking about a handful of exemptions, many of which, like overtime, also apply to the non-profit industry, especially religious organizations, the primary organizations driving this. The NY Times in fact did a great 5 part series, "In God's Name" by Diana B. Henriques that ran in October of 2006, that detailed how many exemptions the "Amen Industry" benefits from, including from various labor laws. In fact, one part of the series is entitled "IN GOD'S NAME: Where Faith Abides, Employees Have Few Rights http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10...

The hypocrisy and level of disconnect is equally extraordinary, astounding and appalling. I say let these religious organizations work to eliminate all the labor and other exemptions they benefit from, happily unionize their own employees (instead of typically busting their own unions) and then let them point the finger at me and my industry and dictate how I should treat my employees.

In the meantime they can kiss my half-Polish dupa.


Defeated (0.00 / 0)
The bill lobbied heavily for years by the 501(c)3 tax code violating Richard Witt and his organization Rural and Migrant Ministry, and now championed by the amazingly hypocritical Pedro Espada who the AG has charged grossly cheated his own Soundview employees (see: http://www.wicz.com/news2005/v... was voted on by the NYS Senate last night. It was defeated, 28-31, with Dilan, who voted NO out of the Labor Committee, not voting on it last night.

So much for the nonsense propaganda of  "we have the solid support of enough co-sponsers and others to easily secure passage if we'd only have a vote." What Witt and his crew did not seem to understand is that claiming support when you know it's not coming up for a vote is not the same as actually voting for something when a vote takes place and everything is on the line. This proposed legislation was grossly ill conceived and terribly hypocritical. If enacted it would put farms out of business and devastate an upstate economy that is already reeling, making it suicidal public policy. Let's eliminate the exemptions in the law for everyone, if that's our mantra, and let's start with all the exemptions the religious non-profits or "amen industry" benefit from, the champions of this legislation, like the overtime exemption. And let's also end the ot exemption for the staff of the NYS Legislature as well. Then you can point the finger at my industry and dictate what I should be doing, hypocrites.

Now we just need the IRS to act and yank RMM's tax exempt status for its gross violations of the 501(c)3 tax code.


Good link (0.00 / 0)
For some reason my link for the AG investigation of Espada's labor law violations of his Soundview employees didn't work. Hopefully this one will:

http://www.wicz.com/news2005/v...


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