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Nan Hayworth and the Rise of Stupid

by: NYBri

Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 13:11:32 PM EDT


Crossposted on the relaunched Take19.org blog

Few things have been more unsettling about our political discourse recently than the worship of Stupid on the part of the Republican Party. I'm all for cogent debate about ideological differences, economic policy and it's effect on the job market, the role of government and regulation in our society, but the embrace of mind numbingly idiotic ideas to turn voter frustration into votes is a reflection of how little the Republicans care about the greater good and how much they care about themselves and their corporate sponsors. To my added dismay, Nan Hayworth is a card carrying member of that club.

Perhaps no other policy position exemplifies the embrace of rock brained dumb more than the "privatization of Social Security." (Okay, climate change denying comes close.)

NYBri :: Nan Hayworth and the Rise of Stupid
Now, Social Security is, arguably, the most successful and popular program this country has ever created. It has kept millions of American seniors out of poverty and helped them retire with dignity. It is incredibly efficient and cheap to operate. It hasn't added a single dollar to the federal deficit in it's long history. It has been safe, secure and given the American tax payer more bang for its buck in terms of improving our society than any other private or public endeavor.  

Here's the embrace of Stupid: Nan Hayworth and the Republican Party want to dismantle it!

They want to dismantle it by, wait for it, handing over billions of retirement dollars to Wall Street investment bankers. Yup, THOSE Wall Street investment bankers...the very same people who lied and deceived us into the biggest recession since the 1930's and the very same people who are bankrolling Hayworth's campaign.

To prove my point, here's a taste of some real, first-class, rambling Hayworth Stupid. See if you can follow the twisted, Palinesque logic in the answer to the attendee's question. I've added the transcript below the video because it's tough to follow.

Attendee: Do you support making social security more solvent and secure by allowing people to invest in voluntary, personal accounts?

Stupid: Yes. Yes, ma'am. I would. I think we have to. Yes. Yes. It's, again, I, uh, I would touch on it anytime soon. It's worth saying again. Um, it's about our having the power, and actually, the obligation, personally, as citizens, to think about what we are doing to be  responsible within our own lives. And it is, it is, a cultural phenomenon; it is something that our government can influence, through the way in which, it, uh, it institutes entitlement programs. If we don't reward responsible behavior, we'll get less of it. If people expect that they'll ever need an American consumer again, y'know, we're a consumer economy. We started out, the reason, one of the reasons we do it so very well, is because we did say, to our, to our, enterprising citizens, 'go, and think about what you can do well within your community, think about what your fellow citizens would like to have available to them, uh, you know, think of the business that, that you'd like to run, the services you'd like to provide, the improvements in goods, the innovations that you can then, you know, sell across the country and sell across the community, and you will, you will thrive. And you know, you will have the world ahead of you. But, you know, the other side of it is, you know, that you'll have, you'll have, to make sure you have put away enough for a rainy day. You know, you'll have to make sure that you're taking care of yourself because, you know, we're not, as a government, gonna be doing it for you. Um, and, that social security option, um, returns as to that kind of frame of mind. That's the most powerful and empowering frame of mind you can possibly have. It makes us stronger, not weaker. We are not sheep, we are men and women. Uh, and yes, I do feel like that way...yes sir?

And I can see Russia from the Newburgh/Beacon Bridge.

Let's leave Stupid for a second and look at what a reasonable answer might be:

Reasonable, non-Hayworth Response: First of all, let me correct the premise of your question. It's impossible to make Social Security more solvent and secure by investing in personal accounts. Period. Personal accounts means risk. Risk is NOT security or solvency.

The program's overwhelming success over the past 70 years has been that the money funded by the tax payers HASN'T been put at risk and handed over to the very people who ran us into the economic ditch over the last decade. Quick question for you...Would you want to trust your money to the likes of Ken Lay and the Wall Street insiders who lied us to the brink of economic disaster? That is exactly what you would be doing if you privatized Social Security.

Or, if one wanted to leave the risk factor aside and look at costs, one could mention that the operational cost of Social Security is a minuscule 0.9% of the budget. It's cheap to run. When the Bush administration last presented this harebrained idea, they conservatively estimated the operational cost of a privatized Social Security to be at 5.0% of the budget. And where would that 4.1% of billions of dollars go? To the investment bankers who killed Lehman Brothers, AIG, the mortgage industry and almost destroyed the entire worldwide banking system.

Let me say again, few things have been more unsettling about our political discourse recently than the worship of Stupid on the part of the Republican Party.

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The fact that Hayworth didn't correct the questioner.... (4.00 / 3)
...about deficit spending and the fact that Social Security is the main trouble is even more insanely stupid.

Social Security hasn't added ONE DOLLAR to the deficit. It is one of the programs that is totally paid for...oh, right, the Republicans don't want to pay for anything.


We've got some work ahead of us.


Yeah, and ya know, we are ALL smart enough to save our money (4.00 / 3)
just in case the breadwinner in our family becomes disabled, or dies, and leaves us with kids to raise.  WE don't need no stinkin' social security payments for widows & orphans.  Nosirree.  Our friends and families will help us out.   And those mentally retarded kids, well, their families certainly don't have any trouble finding care & lodging for them!  This is America!  And while we're at it, who says dementia is a good reason to quit your job?  Seems like everybody is getting "autism" or "alzheimers" and wants to get paid!  Yeah, stop taking my hard earned money and giving it to slackers!

/snark


Works great until you run out of other people's money (0.00 / 0)
And as the ratio of benefit recipients to workers paying in increases . . . Social Security becomes another re-distribution scheme that steals from one group of taxpayers (the young) to subsidize the elderly.

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Ridiculous (0.00 / 0)
It's perfectly reasonable to have a debate over the issue. Social security is NOT solvent, will not be solvent and has zero chance of surviving.

Millions of Americans privatize their retirement security: IRAs, 401(k)s, etc. And there is risk. Aside from stuffing cash under cash under the mattress, there will always be risk.

I am 29 years old. At the current rate, I will never be able to collect social security. I will keep paying into a system that will, not may, will fail, and I will be left with no retirement security.

Why should I continue to pay into a system that I know will not pay out? Should I not be allowed the opportunity to opt out?  


No, your point is ridiculous. (4.00 / 3)
Social security is NOT solvent, will not be solvent and has zero chance of surviving.

That is just flat out wrong. Can't be clearer. See Cliff below.

You have bought into the Zombie Lie that "OMG, Social Security is going bankrupt...OH, nos...Oh, nos..." brought to you by the Guys who Killed Lehman Brothers.

BTW, how's that 401k of yours doing these days? Is it in better shape than Social Security?  

We've got some work ahead of us.


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Not only is it solvent (4.00 / 2)
as Cliff points out. There's even a fairly simple fix to the shortfall - remove the cap.  Right now, you only pay social security tax on the first $100,000 of your income.  Remove that cap, and the shortfall disappears.  

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Actually, Social Security is Solvent (4.00 / 2)
They've crunched the numbers at the Social Security Administration and they've found that the program's trust fund will grow steadily until 2027. After that, Social Security officials estimate there will be sufficient money to pay 100 percent of benefits until 2041, when most everyone reading this has either retired or even expired from old age. From that point on, payroll tax revenue alone should be able to meet 78 percent of the program's obligations, even if no changes are made to the Social Security system. So, somebody who is 29 years old might get smaller checks, but its far from nothing.

But if we let Congressional Republicans make cuts to Social Security, it will die and this program, which has been so important and effective to many people over the past several generations will cease to exist. All the Republicans want to do is dismantle the New Deal, and Social Security is Roosevelt's crown jewel.

Also, Social Security was never intended to be the only retirement for seniors, but currently more than a third of the 50 million Social Security recipients can't live without it as it accounts for 90 percent of their income.


2006 Revisited (4.00 / 2)
Often, we think it was ending the Iraq war was the reason that Dems took back the House in 2006.  But much of the momentum for our success was in fighting the Bush and Repug effort to privatize Social Security.

Stupid policy, stupid politics.  


Not Only Stupid, Incomprehensible (0.00 / 0)
She better hope that the Republicans don't push through any "English Only" laws anytime soon, or she's going to be out of luck.

How Does "Privatizing" Social Security Differ From Abolishing It? (0.00 / 0)
As I understand (no mean feat) what Hayworth is trying to say, she is suggesting that people should be able to take their Social Security contributions (presumably the employer contributions as well) and invest them in some unspecified way.  Actually, if you really are one of these free market Ayn Rand type gurus why shouldn't you be able to take the money and go play it at the racetrack.  No matter.  Now, suppose some sensible workers say that this all sounds like a harebrained scheme and they would prefer to stay in the Social Security system.  However, because of this privatization scheme, you have now dramatically reduced the amount in contributions being paid into the Social Security trust fund.  Where is the money going to come from to pay out benefits to people who want to stay in the Social Security system?  Privatization effectively guarantees that Social Security will become insolvent.  So if the Republicans were being honest -- oops sorry my computer almost crashed when I wrote such an absurd thing -- they would say that they are in favor of abolishing Social Security.  We Democrats should reject the Republicans' "privatization" framing and call it what it is - the abolition of Social Security.  

See the problem is that Nan Hayworth actually understands economics . . . (0.00 / 0)
And it may not be easy or simple or catchy to explain how SS is a great big redistribution scheme for older folks lucky enough to be retiring when there's still enough taxpayers putting in 13% of their income.

My grandparents - 3 of whom lived into their 80's - collected hundreds of thousands in SS payments and barely paid in a quarter of that.  My parents are doing pretty well on their SS - even though my father was a sole proprietor who paid in double along the way.  I am over 50 and know that if I live 'till 80, that I will get approximately 50~70% of what I would have earned if I (and my employer) had put that 13% of my income over the years into a 401k - conservatively invested in a balanced fund of stocks and bonds that can weather perturbations in a market over 40+ years.
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My children / your children are being financially sodomized as the 13 - 15 - 17% of their income is a pure subsidy to older folks who didn't bother to save.
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SS is NOT savings and investment -- it's just a way for BIG government to increase the dependency of its bigger and bigger group of older citizens on a shrinking group of wage earners.  Real savings actually gets invested into enterprises and creates jobs.
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If you believe that government exists to take money away from some folks and hand it to others (who have more votes), then you WOULD favor Social Security.  But SS was never sold that way -- it was supposed to be self-funding and return (most) of the money that each generation contributed.  Obviously, with the huge increases in benefits and the reversing demographics, today's workers are subsidizing yesterday's workers.
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Complicated to understand and explain.  And easy to make fun of a politician who struggles with trying to explain the unpleasant truth and an improved alternative.
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The alternate plan of actually encouraging, expecting and permitting people to save their own money has other benefits.  Capital savings are used to invest in infrastructure, buildings, research & development.  Erie Canal, Kodak, Bausch & Lomb, medical schools, farm equipment.  Stuff that actually builds an economy.

Savings and investment? What an outmoded quaint idea.  It's just so much easier to simply raise taxes and create a "stimulus," yes?  And the reason why people think so little of Albany and Washington.


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