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NY-GOV: Its Over

by: Amherst Guy

Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 10:12:32 AM EDT


A Siena College poll of likely voters came out today, and let me tell you something, this race is over.

The poll, which I believe is somewhat flawed but still very useful, shows Andrew Cuomo up by 24 on Carl Paladino. While I believe that number is high (I think his lead is actually closer to 16-20), the crosstabs paint a beautiful picture: This race is over.

First, let me explain why I think the top-line number on the poll is flawed - Siena is predicting just 31% of the electorate to be Republicans (overall ~31-47-22). I think the number will be significantly higher with a more motivated base. However, even when the numbers are rejiggered to predict what would happen if Republicans were 40% of the electorate (40-40-20), Cuomo still leads by 16 points.

The most telling statistic is this: 10% of Democrats are planning to vote for Paladino, but 25% of Republicans are planning to vote for Cuomo. That means that the Republicans need to be 62% of the voters on election day for Paladino to win (weighting the crosstabs 62-29-9 produces a 8/100ths of a point lead for Paladino). Nate Silver recently explained that a lead of 9 points for a governor this close to election day has only been overcome once in the last 12 years, and a lead of 12 points or more has not been overcome in that timeframe. There is no reason to believe that this year will be any different.

So Thanks, Carl Paladino, for being you.

Lets go focus on the State Senate. And Congress.

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NY-GOV: Its Over | 16 comments
This seems to bode well (4.00 / 1)
for our other candidates across the state as well. If Paladino's support is just 59% among Republicans right now, that may mean that 40% of likely Republican voters just don't show up.

I was rather hoping fear of Gov Crazy (0.00 / 0)
would inspire the Dem base, powering Gillibrand, and State Senators and Assembly races to victory. Looks like that effect will be muted.

[ Parent ]
Not to worry (4.00 / 1)
Schneiderman is having that exact effect on the base.

[ Parent ]
I don't know why that would be muted by this poll. (0.00 / 0)
I think it might happen to a certain extent. Fear is fear, even when its an unreasonable fear.

[ Parent ]
And let's hope the tea partiers (4.00 / 2)
continue to waste their time and energy on Crazy Carl.

It's not over (4.00 / 4)
Yes, Cuomo is all but assured a victory next month, but there are a lot of races still in doubt.

According to his 32-day pre-general filing, Cuomo transferred about $1 million to the state Democratic Party, and has almost $20 million cash on hand.  He should, within the next week, transfer several million dollars to Eric Schneiderman's campaign and to a bunch of state Senate races (say, about 10 of them).

Four years ago, Eliot Spitzer failed to make these transfers, and he never saw a Democratic majority in the Senate.  Memo to Andrew Cuomo: Don't make the same mistake!


And one more (4.00 / 2)
Tom DiNapoli could use a transfer of money too.

[ Parent ]
You got it! (4.00 / 1)
That's right, Dan.

It would smooth over some of the campaigning he has been doing against the legislature.  It would be so good to have a Governor who led the party in NY again, rather than one who fought and argued with the legislative branch.


[ Parent ]
Cuomo wins!!! (4.00 / 2)
He should get between 62%-64% of total votes cast.
What will amaze all is how 36%-38% of adults who go to the polls to vote on Election Day will vote for Carl Paladino (the Italian palamino).  He is a wacko from beyond the hinterlands who has made and is making his millions from state contracts. Well known, for sure, in the political underworld.    

I agree... (4.00 / 1)
that Pala-demon is probably dead in the water, but in this crazy year, I don't want to say it's over til it's actually over. After all, a month before the primaries, most would have said Lazio was at least slightly favored to win the nom. and look how well that turned out for him. Even though his chances are about 0.000000000000001%, in this looney year, that's still a slight possibility his corpse will rise up from the political graveyard as a Zombie on the hunt for brains, which could be useful to him seeing as he has none of his own. Andy's probably got this race wrapped up, but he still needs to keep an eye out for more lunacy from Crazy Carl.

The more I think about it (0.00 / 0)
The more I wonder if the primary was more a referendum on Rick Lazio and the upstate-downstate divide than anything else. For years the Republicans were the champions of Upstate New York in Albany; now upstaters have no one who looks out for our interests and I think there's a groundswell amongst the Republicans upstate to take the party back from the downstate business interests (i.e. Lazio) who think we're all dumb hicks up here. Combine that with the fact that even the Republicans know that Lazio kinda blows and voila, Paladino wins.

Schneiderman Needs Our Help (4.00 / 2)
By the looks of it from this, Schneiderman (with all recent endorsements) is probably up 10 or so points, but he needs our help.

Having met him three times, my feeling is that he is an AMAZING leader, and will go down as one of the all time great elected officials in NY history, especially for those of us who care about compassion, justice, as well as telling truth to power.

Of course, the State Senate is also crucially important. I do hope Cuomo supports with his presence and his war-chest as fully as possible.

Anyone else thinking of volunteering for Schneiderman's campaign?


I've met with the Senator several times (4.00 / 1)
and am personally acquainted with one of his campaign people that is from my area.

I'm still trying to get lawn signs.

It's not clear to me that they're terribly well organized.

I've warned them numerous times that the campaign is too focused on NYC.

I'm doing my best on my own, talking to people during my canvassing for my congressman and state senate candidate.

I email-blitzed before the primary.  


I've just learned I was wrong. (0.00 / 0)
See, according to the tea partiers:
UPDATES: CNN/TIME POLL: CUOMO 55 - 41% OVER PALADINO

Readers this poll has to be of great concern to the Cuomo Campaign. Paladino polls over 40%, number one. Number two, Cuomo is only at 55%; the poll suggesting independents/Blanks favoring Cuomo; this of course is nonsense. Paladino will win the independent/Blank vote handily. Truth is Cuomo probably has a 6-8% lead if that; if you adjust your thinking taking the primary turnout into your calculus Paladino is even. We have a race readers! -Joseph Illuzzi

I'd post the link but I refuse to draw eyes to that website.

I should have known that a poll showing Cuomo up by 16 means he's actually losing. Its so obvious. I'm gonna go drink heavily while I try to figure out how I got it so wrong.


The New York governor's race was over.. (0.00 / 0)
the day Rick Lazio announced he was a candidate..

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