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Shots Fired: Ed Koch Calls Out Skelos On Redistricting Pledge

by: phillip anderson

Thu Mar 03, 2011 at 09:15:37 AM EST


Mayor Ed calls a spade a spade in this morning's Daily News:

Mayor Koch calls Dean Skelos an enemy of reform: Powerful Albany pol broke his word

Last year, Skelos signed my organization's pledge, promising to be part of the effort to redraw district lines in a fair and rational way - to once and for all end the pernicious partisan gerrymandering that reinforces all of Albany's worst habits.

When I met with Skelos in Albany on Tuesday to follow up on his promise, he told me he was withdrawing his support from the effort of my organization, New York Uprising, Then hours later, he released a statement proclaiming that he "wishes to pursue a redistricting reform measure that will meet the Uprising pledge."

What was going on? Does the majority leader support this initiative or not?

According to Skelos, his withdrawal from the Uprising pledge was based on his belief that independent redistricting through legislation is unconstitutional. And so in our meeting, as in his statement, he advocated a state constitutional amendment instead.

Unfortunately, that's merely a diversion on his part. A red herring. Sand in your eyes. It's also a surprising argument from him, since he never raised it during the several times we spoke when he signed the pledge to fight for independent redistricting. Neither did any of his colleagues when I stood with them on the campaign trail.

Indeed, last year Skelos sent a letter accompanying his pledge (available at nyuprising.org). It stated: "Our Republican conference supports . . . independent redistricting in line with what your organization is calling for." The pledge is very specific in its requirements for independence. And the pledge is very specific in calling for legislation to pass this year.

Here's the problem with a constitutional amendment: It's too late. To pass one in New York, it first would have to pass both houses of the Legislature this year. Then, the same amendment would have to pass both houses again sometime after the next legislature is seated in 2013. Then, it would be put to a popular vote as a statewide referendum.

That means any constitutional amendment is probably five years away. The same old, same old system would apply until the next redistricting in 2022, and New Yorkers would have to endure another 10 years of a government that gets away with being unresponsive to their interests. We can't wait that long. New York is a mess now.

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So even if Skelos truly differs on this major point, if he truly supports the principle of independent redistricting, and if he intends to uphold the promise he made, then he should work to pass the governor's bill. Let the courts decide whether it's constitutional.

Legislators who wish to pursue redistricting reform that will meet the Uprising pledge must support legislation that would produce independent redistricting in time for the election next year. Any legislator who supports a constitutional amendment - to the exclusion of the governor's bill - is simply seeking to run out the clock, and will be described by me as an Enemy of Reform in a message to be brought to his or her constituents.

Looks like Koch just upped the ante and essentially called Skelos (rightly) a liar.

Will such pressure from the outside from groups like New York Uprising and Citizens Union be sufficient to force Skelos and his crew to honor the pledges they made last year when they were trying to portray themselves as "heroes of reform?" I have my doubts. But, the rather blatant manner in which they are thumbing their noses at the entire state would seem to demand that such pressure be applied relentlessly and with gusto.

There have to be consequences for just flat out lying to us.

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How Long? (4.00 / 3)
How long will old fashioned Democrats keep appeasing Republicans?  When will these old school Dems get it through their thick skulls that the new Republican party is not what it used to be.  Republicans are in government to blow it up!  They are not interested in negotiating a workable solution.  As the now infamous saying goes they want to drown government in the bathtub.  

And the ends always justify the means.  

Consider what has become mainstream Republican in the last few weeks:.  

• End collective bargaining rights
• War on women's health
• Replace the income tax with a sales tax
• Repeal health care reform
• End Social Security and Medicare
• End Medicaid
• Repeal the clean air act
• Stop regulation of off-shore oil drilling
• Stop regulation hydro-fracking
• Elimination of the Pell Grant program
• Stop federal food inspection
• Repeal regulation of the financial services sector

Plus federal budget cuts which lead to a loss of 700,000 jobs - so be it.  
 


I have a hard time believing that anything gets Skelos to abide by the pledge. (4.00 / 2)
Simply put, without extensive gerrymandering, the Republicans have almost zero chance of retaining control of the Senate. Right here in western NY, you have two Buffalo based districts, one of which is 85% Democrat, and three suburban/rural Republican districts which are Republican by ten points or less. A redistricting plan which doesn't try to keep the Republicans in power loses them at least two seats just around here.  

I agree totally (0.00 / 0)
That is why Skelos never had any intention of allowing a non-partisan gerrymandering to take place. In a state that is two to one Democratic enrollment, any redistricting done in a non partisan fashion will result in a two to one state assembly and a two to one state senate advantage Democrats! The Assembly is there now because the Democrats controlled that process in the past. So the Republicans Senators will attempt to do anything to create incumbent protection lines in the 2012 map.

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Not quite (0.00 / 0)
If the 2:1 Democratic enrollment advantage was clumped, where 2/3 of the state was all Democrats while the remaining 1/3 all Republicans, if the remaining voters who are registered either under other parties or as "blanks" all voted with the majority in their section of the state, and if people always voted for their party in the same percentages, you would be right.

But there are a boatload of other factors that come into play.

That being said, it's fairly obvious that a truly nonpartisan districting plan would give Democrats a majority in the Senate, and a large majority in the Assembly, for the foreseeable future. That's why Majority Leader Skelos has reneged on his "promise."

The reason we are not likely to see Speaker Silver happily sign on is that his interest is not with the Democratic Party, but with his own personal power. He doesn't care about the Senate; otherwise he would have shifted millions of dollars in campaign contributions long ago. He cares less about maintaining a huge majority in the Assembly (which will happen anyway) than in maintaining the "incumbent protection lines" you talk about -- because that's part of how he maintains loyalty among Assembly Democrats, and thus maintains his power.  


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Gotta say... (4.00 / 1)
Koch is just so repelling to me that I find it hard to hope that what he does matters a lot even when it is something I support.  There should be consequences for lying to the voters, surely.  But, I wish we had a different spokesguy for that.

A different spokesguy/girl (0.00 / 0)
would not have all three NYC papers, and many others around the state, reporting his/her every utterance about independent redistricting.

Koch is a celebrity loved by the NYC media, he's putting Skelos between a rock and permanent minority status, and the media are loving it.

Forget about the past, sit back and enjoy.

 


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I posted this (4.00 / 3)
on the last thread on the topic, but it's worth repeating:

Even if Skelos is able to avoid acting on independent redistricting, there is no guarantee that he will be able to perpetuate his gerrymander. A special master appointed to draw new districts as a consequence of legislative inaction (or a sustained veto--are you listening Senate Dems?) would surely have to honor last year's bill requiring prisoners to be counted at their home address. And even if not, the Republicans must draw their own map to retain control. They won't be able to do so on anything resembling a fair plan.

The only leverage Skelos has is that Assembly and Congressional Democrats would also like control over their own maps. But how much is that worth in the face of perpetuating Republican control of the Senate?


Get ready (4.00 / 1)
I have been advocating that the litigation to appoint a special master should be being prepared now.  We should assume that the legislature will screw it up or not get it done on time.  The petition should include a redistricting plan, so the court or master can have a good place to start her analysis.  

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Robina & JMcBride (4.00 / 2)
I totally agree with both of you but when I said to a friend of mine who is a total liberal Dem that Koch is irrelivant she stated "well, there are those of us who think he's still very relivant."  As for Dems not learning that the current Republican Party is not the Eisenhower Republican Party, completely correct.  This Republican Party is only interested in the rich corporate donations they receive, hate women, children, students, the elderly and the poor.  What they've been winning on the past (lets say) 15 years are wedge issues and fear.  These people will vote against their best interests because of these wedge/fear issues.  Republicans have been in the House Majority for about 8 weeks now and I haven't seen 1 jobs bill but loads of bills as you've clearly stated.  You know, when I speak with Republicans who are clearly middle class or lower I want to kick them in the behind or shake them and shout "snap out of it."  

cuomo must veto (4.00 / 2)
If the lines are drawn fairly at all the Republicans will loose the Senate.  The only way they keep the Senate is if Silver and Cuomo let them.   The Assembly does not have to agree to the Senate's lines, but they always do and then they feign outrage when their progressive bills die in the Senate they helped enable.  It's time for us all to call their bluff.   Don't approve anything, let the courts draw the lines.  The Dems might loose a few seats in the Assembly but it's worth it to take the Senate and have a progressive govt in New York.   The Republican Senate holds up rent regulations, same sex marriage, and so much else.  If the Democrats in the Assembly and Cuomo let them draw their lines again, they are complicit in every progressive defeat for the next ten years.  

I hate Silver, but (0.00 / 0)
he did refuse to sign Koch's pledge and now has nothing to go back on. The population loss in upstate last decade and the population gains downstate means an additional 4 Assembly seats in the suburbs and NYC at the expense of upstate.

Silver will easily be back to 105 seats on 1/1/2013.

The population shift downstate will make Skelos' job that much harder. He may need to create a 63rd senate district in NYC and rethink the map as the marginal seats were lost over the last decade:

Goodman (Resignation after a near defeat)
Morahan (death),
Spano, Padavan, Maltese, Hoffman (defeat), and
Velella (conviction)

It's hard to believe that after losing all of these districts, they still managed to win 32.


Or... (0.00 / 0)
Based on your numbers, even if Speaker Silver backs an independent panel, he would most likely not lose anything, and might still pick up a seat or two. It would also put pressure on Governor Cuomo to make good on his veto promise, and force Majority Leader Skelos to accept some sort of independent plan (even if it's a Special Master).

Of course, it would mean Sheldon Silver voluntarily relinquishing some power; I'd as soon believe in the tooth fairy.


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