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Town halls, then and now

by: devtob

Sat Mar 19, 2011 at 19:39:21 PM EDT


Back in the summer of 2009, tea partiers, egged on by the Republican cable "news" channel and Republican astroturf groups, turned out en masse to disrupt town hall meetings, shout down Democratic Members of Congress, and denounce the pending health care reform bill.

Paul Tonko, a solid progressive who was then a freshman representing NY-21, got the treatment at Elm Avenue Park in Bethlehem, just south of Albany -- lots of delusional Constitution questions and the sign at right.

Tonko more than held his own, explaining the obvious need for HCR and liberally citing the general welfare clause, to the frustration of the tea partiers.

About 600 people attended that town hall, about equally divided between tea partiers and HCR supporters.

Today, Tonko held a town hall in East Greenbush (just east of Albany), and the scene was very different -- about 100 people in a firehouse, only a handful of them tea partiers.

Telling details, below.

devtob :: Town halls, then and now
Tonko was at the Clinton Heights firehouse to announce an $87,000 federal grant for portable radios, a thermal imaging camera, and other emergency services equipment, and to present a flag that flew over the Capitol.

But mostly he discussed what's happening in the new Republican-dominated House.

Tonko noted that he's on a new committee -- Budget -- so he's on the front line of the current Continuing Resolution battles.

There is a proposal in the House to cut spending by $100 billion that has raised concerns for many.

The original package presented by Speaker Boehner was for about $32 billion. There is a group, primarily newer elected officials if not the newest, that suggested it should be deeper than $32 billion, it should rise to $100 billion.

And if you ask a number of people, why $100 billion, many will suggest it's a number they tossed out in their campaigns.

My problem with that is this was done in a whimsical fashion, there was no calculus, they had not served in Congress, but a three-digit number like 100, billion sounded good.

But we have to be careful, because those cuts can be rocking the comeback of the economy.

Since March of last year, we have added 1.5 million private sector jobs. The think tanks around this country are suggesting that the $100 billion cut in domestic programs could cause unemployment of 700,000 to 800,000. So that would wipe out half of the progress made.

Setting us back 700,000 to 800,00 jobs is a frightening thought.

Tonko added that the cuts would come entirely from domestic discretionary spending (a small percentage of the overall budget) -- cuts to all forms of education aid, cuts to technological innovation, cuts to public safety, cuts to clean air/clean water regulations, etc.

He noted that the Ryan Roadmap, named after the new Budget Committee chairman who proposed it, is the still GOP's budget blueprint, and that it would privatize Social Security and turn Medicare into an inadequate voucher program (at $11,000 annually, growing by just 2 percent a year, and impoverishing sick seniors).

Tonko said that his top priority is job creation, since he believes that our lingering high unemployment "drives our deficit" and the only effective way to reduce the deficit is to create jobs.

He noted that House Republicans have not introduced even one jobs bill in any committee.

Tonko also explained that the Republicans have not proposed any cuts to the tens of billions spent on military contractors, and have proposed nothing to limit the $100 billion (that number again) in special tax treatment for oil companies, or the tax policies that encourage outsourcing of American jobs.

In the Q&A, most questions reflected concerns over what the radical House Republicans are up to, but there was one bona fide tea party question, asked, naturally, by a guy who obviously receives Social Security and Medicare benefits.

It was long and rambling, deficit/debt/grandchildren blah blah, but here's the essence:

I find it incredible that out of a $3 trillion budget, we can't find $100 billion to cut.

Tonko replied:

We need to make certain we look at waste, inefficiency, outmoded programs. We need to look at the handouts to oil companies, we need to look at corporate loopholes, we need to look at the Defense Department.

I agree with you there are ways to reduce the budget, but in significantly less painful ways.

When we start cutting some of these programs they announced, ... 700,000 to 800,000 jobs lost is not what we need right now.

We need to do it in a way that doesn't take an ax to the budget, but a scalpel.

As to our children, the greatest burden we're placing on them is unemployment. Because without a job, there is no hope.

Tea party types tried, albeit half-heartedly, to turn out people to today's town hall.

It's probably natural, after winning the House majority and six (almost seven) seats in New York alone, that tea partiers are just less white-hot angry now than they were in the summer of 2009.

They still don't like Tonko at all, but realize that their candidate against him got trounced in 2010, and that berating Tonko in public would do little to change that result next year.

Indeed, some of them seem more annoyed with their 2010 darling, Chris Gibson of NY-20, than they are with Tonko.

After all, they don't expect Tonko to ever vote the way they want, but they expect Gibson to be with them on every vote

And when he's not, he's accused of having:

a fast and loose a la carte interpretation of the Constitution as evidenced by yesterday's bizarre support for unconstitutional NPR funding and previous support for continued arts funding.

There really is no pleasing hard-core tea partiers until Ron Paul is President, with Paulite supermajorities in both Houses of Congress, and they all drown the federal government in Grover Norquist's bathtub.

Which will never happen.      

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Do tell, is there less tea party enthusiasm (4.00 / 2)
at town halls elsewhere in NY?

And are hard-core tea partiers pissed at newbie Members of Congress who don't meet their purity standards?  


On Staten Island (4.00 / 2)
Hard core Tea Baggers are pissed at Mike Grimm for his votes and have warned him to tow their line or they'll find a candidate to run against him in 2012.    

Well, then we'll see how an incumbent (4.00 / 1)
with establishment support and money fares against a far-right tea partier with neither.

I'll bet my house that Grimm wins that primary handily.

In Staten Island and Bay Ridge, like most places in NY, hard-core tea partiers are a micro-minority.

Loud and self-important, but few.  


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respond (0.00 / 0)
As to our children, the greatest burden we're placing on them is unemployment. Because without a job, there is no hope. online casino

[ Parent ]
it seems to me (4.00 / 1)
that most of the so-called "grassroots" tea party movement was, in fact, nothing more than a paid campaign funded by a few billionaires (i.e. the Koch brothers) desiged to create the illusion of massive voter unrest with Democrats and health care reform, in order to ginny up the conservative base, put Democratic incumbents on the offensive and depress turnout by Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents. It sure worked. Too bad we don't have a legitimate national news media to point out to the American public that this tea party movement was, basically, a fraud, actually nothing more than a political action committee of, by and for the Koch brothers and their massive financial concerns.

The tea partiers around here remain (4.00 / 1)
loosely organized, but they are down to a hard-core remnant of a few dozen, mostly consisting of Birchers and Ron Paul fans, and haven't done a street protest or rally since the election.

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Right Now (4.00 / 1)
As far as I know, there are only 2 Tea Party groups in the 5 boroughs.  There is one in Brooklyn run out of (believe it or not) a Kosher Deli on Kings Highway and the other in Staten Island.  

[ Parent ]
I Agree With You Paco (4.00 / 2)
The "Tea Party" did not exist until Barack Obama became President.  With all the things Bush was doing to take away civil rights, increase spending and thereby increase our debt,etc., you heard not one word except for those of us left of center on this subject.  Bush himself stated that "the Constitution is only a piece of paper." But, all of a sudden, Obama is elected and you have all these people screaming about the deficit, ruling by the Constitution, individual rights, etc.  The Tea Party consists of a bunch of racist bigots who live mostly in rural areas and rural states.  Dick Armey is aligned with the Koch Brothers, Carl Rove also along with Wall Street. I'm sure if you check you would see that most of the money to fund them is coming from Koch, Koch like corporations and wealthy individuals that have their own anti American agenda.  Funny, the Tea Party doesn't have a problem with "Citizens United" which takes away individual rights by giving corporations the right to donate to campaigns and buy elections, they have no problem with the fact that the Republican Party has done NOTHING to create jobs since they took over the House on January 5th 20ll (today I hear a Republican Congressman introduced a bill to reaffirm "In God We Trust") and, in fact want to fire about 700,000 workers by cutting out programs. Wall Street would like nothing more than to get their dirty, greedy hands on our Social Security money and you should look at how well they did when pensions were eliminated and companies switched to 401K's. The Tea Party is so racist and bigoted that they don't even realize that they're voting against their own best interests. Health care was the perfect excuse with the use of death panels, etc and we Dems made the mistake of not correctly replying to the lies.  We allowed the Tea Party to take hold and allowed Koch et al to put fear into these misguided racists and bigots.    

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Wait until 2012 (0.00 / 0)
Tea Party activists will be on the rampage at congressional town hall meetings next year, when it counts...

And They'll Be (4.00 / 2)
Bused, bought and paid for by Koch and Company. I really hope they get called out this time.  During the Healthcare debate I feel that we were caught off guard but now we should be ready for them.  Know, I'm not saying that we should come to blows, but we should be able to talk down their b.s.

Additionally, most candidates (unless they really want an open town hall) fill the audience with a lot of their supporters.  When we were having the term limits debate, Bloomberg bused in supporters and gave them a free lunch.  All they had to do was sit there wearing tee shirts and carrying signs supporting Bloomberg's extention of term limits.  


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