The Scheme To Repeal Marriage Equality

And where do the people... (4.00 / 1)

You know, the New Yorkers that support marriage equality by wide margins, fit into all of this, assuming, hypothetically, that marriage equality actually did make it to the ballot like that?

Of course, by that time I don't think there's much of anything NOM will be able to do because the Supreme Court will have ruled there is a constitutional right to marriage equality.

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by: Mets102 @ Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 07:10:23 AM UTC

You misunderstand, (4.00 / 1)

According to the out of state special interest group NOM, marriage equality was shoved down the throats of New Yorkers by backroom deals with special interest groups.

In reality, there is a broad grassroots support for repealing this. Did you see the poll that NOM commissioned of senior citizens that showed 57% of New Yorkers reject marriage equality?

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by: Clarknt67 @ Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 07:25:13 AM UTC

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Because those demographics... (0.00 / 0)

clearly reflect New York with it being too old and too Republican.  Since I don't watch it, just how much did Fox decide to run with this?  Or was it so bad that not even Fox would run with it?

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by: Mets102 @ Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 07:42:33 AM UTC

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I too spare myself the horror (4.00 / 1)

Of watching Fox. It did not appear to me anyone gave the poll much, if any notice. They commission a "polling" firm in every state to fabricate the results they want.  

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by: Clarknt67 @ Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 08:02:02 AM UTC

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Yeah... (4.00 / 1)

but usually they'll do a better job than that in getting the "results" that they want.  I probably could have done better with my law degree and one semester of undergrad statistics I took when I once thought I'd go the JD/CPA route.

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by: Mets102 @ Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 08:09:36 AM UTC

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excellent analogy, by the way (4.00 / 1)

...can anyone give me an update, as to whether those little gnomes' plan succeeded in making them a profit?

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by: paco @ Sun Jul 03, 2011 at 21:49:19 PM UTC

Why would any Conservative want to see this repealed? (4.00 / 1)

This is a fund raising windfall, like abortion.  These issues get people to open their checkbooks like substantive issues (e.g., Healthcare Reform) do not.

This is an annuity for the Conservative Party and an excuse to primary people like Roy McDonald who thinks he will get money from liberal interests to protect his seat.

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by: John Minehan @ Sun Jul 10, 2011 at 22:11:48 PM UTC

I'm thrilled you think that (0.00 / 0)

because it's proof how conservatives are going to kill themselves off.  Marriage equality is not abortion.  Look at the polls, look at the money, and look at the trend.  Heck, it was Republican donors who were the main thrust behind passage of marriage equality.

But please, double down on opposing marriage equality.  I would like nothing more than to see Republicans continue to sit on the wrong side of history.

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by: BingChester @ Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 03:54:47 AM UTC

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I don't think he was opposing it personally (0.00 / 0)

But just commenting on how the right (and the left too) can use divisive wedge issues to fundraise by keeping them in play indefinitely.

And in fact the National Organization For Marriage is already exploiting the loss to bilk rubes into donating on the false promise of a reversal, which no rational person recognizes as anything but an extreme outside long shot. (I never say never in politics, but come on!)

But I agree with you, the mainstream politicos will move on, which is why it passed. Both parties wanted to close the book on the issue. It does not have the shelf life of abortion. This wedge has lost it's edge in NY.

After they fail to extract their pound of flesh in the 2012 cycle, the far right in NY will give up and find another issue to bitch about in 2014.  

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by: Clarknt67 @ Mon Jul 11, 2011 at 19:40:43 PM UTC

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Politically? How about legally? NYS is not an (0.00 / 0)

inititive, referendumm and recall state.  

The Conservative Party can use this to raise money even while knowing repeal wil never get anywhere.  Even in California, this change does not seem to survive at the polls, however, if you can't trigger a big, emotionally fraught election, this will not be changed.

None the less, I suspect Roy McDonald is the new Clint Dominick.    

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by: John Minehan @ Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 14:55:17 PM UTC

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